Yeah, some of the people at the marches were positively personally impacted by the pre-existing conditions guarantee under Obamacare. There were people marching and rolling for equal rights for the disabled too.

I understand your standard of living from what you've posted, sally. But again, your standard of living doesn't apply to millions of people most affected by some of these issues.

Anyway, Trump announced today that Obamacare isn't gonna be replaced and repealed in his first 100 days as he'd promised. If he can get a replacement plan together, it won't be ready for congressional review or implementation before 2018. If it's a better plan which keeps the best pieces of Obamacare, I'll be all for it and I'm glad it's not being rushed through.

Another thing that marchers and others are very worried about is Paul Ryan and company's longtime and ongoing intent to cut Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security. Trump said during his campaign that he would protect those programs and they wouldn't be cut if he was elected -- millions of people want him to remember that promise and hold him to it.

Is now a good time to invest in cheap sneakers?

(02-05-2017, 11:34 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 11:24 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Also, yesterday in an interview with Bill O'Reilly, President Trump said that he admires Vladimir Putin, though he's not sure he'll get along with Putin. When O'Reilly questioned Trump about admiring a killer, Trump essentially said, 'so what? --the U.S. has lots of killers too.' http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/natio...story.html

What kind of POTUS puts America on par with Russia? Maybe the better question would be, who remains silent after he does.

I just listened to it and agreed with everything he said. He said he respected the man as a leader of another country in the fight with ISIS, but does not know that he agrees with all of his decisions. When asked why would you respect a killer, he said there are plenty of killers here too. Are you arguing with that? What about George Bush, I'm sure he indirectly killed many innocent people.

(02-05-2017, 06:38 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I understand your standard of living from what you've posted, sally. But again, your standard of living doesn't apply to millions of people most affected by some of these issues.

I don't remember saying it did. In fact I said I would pay higher taxes so everyone has equal healthcare.

Yeah, so take that and shove it in your stretched out pussy hat!

(02-05-2017, 07:32 PM)sally Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 06:38 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I understand your standard of living from what you've posted, sally. But again, your standard of living doesn't apply to millions of people most affected by some of these issues.

I don't remember saying it did. In fact I said I would pay higher taxes so everyone has equal healthcare.

And, I don't remember saying that you did in this case either.

I'm just pointing out proactively that a lot of people aren't in a position to self-pay (like you and now I do) for a variety of reasons.

So, they want to make sure whatever replacement is introduced covers their healthcare needs as well or better than the Affordable Health Care Act.

The Republicans don't have a workable replacement plan, though they've been threatening to shred Obamacare for 6 years. They've got some work to do, it's a complex issue which will always include some trade-offs. I hope they succeed.

(02-05-2017, 07:29 PM)sally Wrote: I just listened to it and agreed with everything he said. He said he respected the man as a leader of another country in the fight with ISIS, but does not know that he agrees with all of his decisions. When asked why would you respect a killer, he said there are plenty of killers here too. Are you arguing with that? What about George Bush, I'm sure he indirectly killed many innocent people.

Many Americans have a problem with the President of the United States equating our country with an authoritarian, murderous regime. Putin kills or jails journalists and political opponents. American presidents and most Americans do not normally respect dictatorships.

(02-06-2017, 06:55 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(02-05-2017, 07:29 PM)sally Wrote: I just listened to it and agreed with everything he said. He said he respected the man as a leader of another country in the fight with ISIS, but does not know that he agrees with all of his decisions. When asked why would you respect a killer, he said there are plenty of killers here too. Are you arguing with that? What about George Bush, I'm sure he indirectly killed many innocent people.

Many Americans have a problem with the President of the United States equating our country with an authoritarian, murderous regime. Putin kills or jails journalists and political opponents. American presidents and most Americans do not normally respect dictatorships.

Sally, maybe you should research Putin's history of killing....don't think US has reached that status of depravity, but with Trump, anything is possible. What he said was totally unacceptable. So far we don't poison our political dissenters, or kill other members of our Gov't when they try having a voice....they invade and kill millions of civilian citizens in their aggressive moves to take over more and more land and power...Most people (even Republicans) took offense that a POTUS could compare us to Russia....get a grip......If you want a dictatorship, i could suggest places other than US and i resent when a nut job comes into WH and acts like an "out of control" dictator man child having daily temper tantrums......No, you didn't specifically mention some of these words, but your overall comments imply acceptance of Trump saying US is just as bad as Russia when it comes to killing....If you don't see Trump as dangerous, then, I think you and similar attitudes are the problem just as much as Trump is a problem to people who want a sane President at the helm.....

(02-06-2017, 07:23 AM)blueberryhill Wrote: If you don't see Trump as dangerous, then, I think you and similar attitudes are the problem

I don't know what she stands for, if anything, but facts, logic and common sense aren't really something many Republicans understand. Most of them take hypocrisy to the next level and then defend it.

I have seen over the past couple of months how crazy angry Democrats become when they don't get their way. I've heard from many people how weird and violent to unhinged and absolutely un-decipherable their rants have become.
I've always thought that there was a little bit of integrity in them but over the past few weeks have seen their hatred towards anything coming out of the white house turn into full blown lunacy. Its amazing that they can even function from day to day. Some have accepted the results of the election. Others not so much.

They are so inflamed with hatred I fear for their health. The entire party is completely dysfunctional today and still going downhill like a drunk on ski's. Maybe they need to hit bottom before they ever could even begin to pick themselves up again. I pray for them. Love will find a way.

I think this presidency might be the best thing that could have happened to Democrats.

(02-06-2017, 11:53 AM)Duchess Wrote:

I think this presidency might be the best thing that could have happened to Democrats.

They certainly need some kind of wake up from the dream. Reality is like that, a cold slap to the face.

In general, I don't relate to either side and I would never want anyone to think they speak for me, they don't. I don't agree much with any of them.

I'm not a Dem and do agree the party needs to re-organize and get its shit together, Maggot. But some of the crap you post has long convinced me that you're among those who seriously needs a reality-check, my friend. Extremism is not specific to either side.

You bought into the ignorant birther bullshit because you didn't like the Democratic president. You obviously rely on baseless conspiracy theory as news -- I know this because you've posted several false inflammatory "news" stories and then gotten defensive when you were asked for a source and the actual facts were pointed out to you. You let yourself get upset and criticized "the Dems/Libs" over things that amounted to a hill of beans. And, I can't recall a positive thing you said about anything Obama did over the last couple of years, though you'll praise Trump for borrowing some of the same policies and cheer him even when he's clearly off-the-mark.

So.....when you express your condescending and superior rebuttals against what you perceive to be extreme left opinions/actions, it just makes me smile and shake my head at the hypocrisy. Turn the mirror all the way to the right and you'll see your own reflection, Mags.

(02-06-2017, 12:16 PM)Maggot Wrote:

Even with all the evidence to the contrary you believe in voter fraud?

I don't doubt that there are some cases of voter fraud. But, all of the research done by non-partisan groups over the years, along with the recounts done last year, indicate that the minimal percentage of 'wrong votes' were almost exclusively system errors, not fraudulent votes, and did not affect the election results.

As for voter suppression, courts of law have ruled that, yes, Republican legislation was designed to discriminate against legitimate minority voters and make it more difficult for them to cast votes.

Trump's claim of voter fraud came from a blogger and Alex Jones, with no facts to support the allegation. The claim fed his ego; he is trying to put the reality of Clinton beating him by 3,000,000 in the popular vote under suspicion with gullible and like-minded people. It's working.

When Bill O'Reilly hit him up this weekend about making public claims of voter fraud without substantiation, Trump said, "a lot of people agree with me" and then again referred to dead people and people on the REGISTRATION rolls in two states. There are indeed dead people and people whose names appear on registration logs in two states (or more) -- that's a fact and nobody disputes it.

However, neither of which is unusual and neither of which in any way means that people voted in dead people's names or in more than one state. Still, I know that Trump is right when he says a lot of people believe him. What's important to me is that the facts-to-date contradict his claim and the Pew report he previously cited to support his claim actually negates his claim.

For voter fraud to exist on the scale Trump claims, there would have to be a conspiracy by both the Republican and Democratic voting administrators at poll stations across the United States that nobody has ever uncovered. The states deny Trump's claim of voter fraud under their watches.

Anyway, Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, arguably the most powerful Republicans in Congress, don't support budgeting for a voter fraud investigation. They do not believe Trump's claim warrants an investigation funded by the tax payers.

However, I'd kinda like to see an investigation done to put this rhetoric to bed, as long as the investigatory body was bi-partisan or non-partisan and independent of the president's office. I don't doubt that are inefficiencies across the states and some improvements could be made nationwide, though I very seriously doubt significant voter fraud would be uncovered.

Why is anyone against the voter fraud investigation? It would either verify or vilify the argument. Either way it's not in mine or your hands. I do not have a problem checking it out. I also think Trump is doing better than Obama did. But who cares? I'm not going to try and convince anyone the pros and cons of the establishment. But anyone else can give it a whirl. I still think Democrats are OK many are just a little screwy as are many republicans. It doesn't mean families have to break up or divorces get finalized.

(02-06-2017, 04:07 PM)Maggot Wrote: Why is anyone against the voter fraud investigation?

I'm not against it, I simply don't believe that it's on any kind of measurable scale and I don't view it as fraud. People die, people move, etc, I don't see it as anything more than that.

I think the Republicans see it in the Democrat elections as more prevalent, there were some incidents that were a bit sketchy in the last election that made them believe it was happening.