(03-14-2018, 08:43 PM)blueberryhill Wrote: snip* if they can effect positive social change in a country who ranks number 1 in deaths by guns...... *snip

Sorry bbh, not even close. The US isn't even in the top 10 for gun deaths per 100K population.

Don't confuse the issue with facts, what are you, a mass murderer?

(03-14-2018, 02:27 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I wasn't sure where to put this thread let alone what to call it. I'm not opposed to suggestions from those who are more clever than I am.

Today across America they are walking out of their schools to protest, some of them are being banned from doing so. Do you support these kids?

100% Yes.

Get off my lawn!

(03-14-2018, 10:29 PM)BigMark Wrote: Don't confuse the issue with facts, what are you, a mass murderer?

No, but apparently I am a terrorist and in the KKK. Who knew?

(03-14-2018, 08:55 PM)BigMark Wrote: It must be wonderful to live your life seeing unicorns fart rainbow glitter.

I don't see any unicorns or rainbow glitter farts in Blueberry's post, Biggie. But, your comment sure smells like vapid and crusty old dinosaur farts.

It's a positive thing that young people are actively participating in efforts to end school shootings and senseless deaths of school children by exercising their First Amendment rights and getting engaged in the political process. They're not sitting on their asses and allowing politicians and gun enthusiasts to convince them that it's better to just shut up and assume the role of hopeless potential targets.

Even if you disagree with the students' policy opinions, how are their efforts worthy of disdain to any sane patriotic American? They're not, in my opinion.

My Daughter reported this:
many of the kids said it was to cold to go outside, the ones that did ended up having a snowball fight. There were no news crews to record this
My wife reported this:
Many of the kids went out into the hallway instead of outdoors and during the 17 min of silence were sliding down the newly waxed floor in their socks.

I'm sure that there were plenty of students doing it the right way and plenty of the ones that did knew that they would be on camera for the news. (They are told ahead of time)

lots of kids had signs that said "Its not guns, its mental instability" and "we need better security" those posters did not make the headlines. The ones that did were "stop gun violence' and 'stop guns"

Most of the organized protests were organized by outside forces and adults.

I believe its a great start for kids going to college, it gets them in the protest mode.

But hey BH saw it on television and that's what really counts. I do not need to call her any names though, I will reserve that right for anyone that can see the truth for themselves.

(03-15-2018, 11:02 AM)Maggot Wrote: I do not need to call her any names though, I will reserve that right for anyone that can see the truth for themselves.

I see it the same way.

(03-15-2018, 11:02 AM)Maggot Wrote: lots of kids had signs that said "Its not guns, its mental instability" and "we need better security" those posters did not make the headlines. The ones that did were "stop gun violence' and 'stop guns"

This was one of my favorites from yesterday:



Who wants to tell them?

Seriously, so many of these kids are woefully misinformed and uneducated on the cause they are marching for. It undermines their message, unfortunately.

(03-15-2018, 11:02 AM)Maggot Wrote: My Daughter reported this:
many of the kids said it was to cold to go outside, the ones that did ended up having a snowball fight. There were no news crews to record this
My wife reported this:
Many of the kids went out into the hallway instead of outdoors and during the 17 min of silence were sliding down the newly waxed floor in their socks.

I'm sure that there were plenty of students doing it the right way and plenty of the ones that did knew that they would be on camera for the news. (They are told ahead of time)

lots of kids had signs that said "Its not guns, its mental instability" and "we need better security" those posters did not make the headlines. The ones that did were "stop gun violence' and 'stop guns"

Most of the organized protests were organized by outside forces and adults.

I believe its a great start for kids going to college, it gets them in the protest mode.

But hey BH saw it on television and that's what really counts. I do not need to call her any names though, I will reserve that right for anyone that can see the truth for themselves.

I truly don't understand what's 'the right way' and what's the 'wrong way'.

Whether they're primarily focused on gun restrictions, better mental health, or school security........they equally engaged in a period of silence for victims and a protest against gun violence. It's all right, right?

No one is assuming or saying that every student needs to share the same opinions about how to address the problem and threat. I wouldn't expect the walk out at a middle school in New Hampshire to look the same as a walk out at a high school in Florida or New York. Neither is wrong, in my opinion. Nor is it wrong for students to embrace being televised in order to promote their cause.

As for who organized (or 'handled', according to some) the student protests, it was students who spoke out immediately following the Stoneman Douglas massacre. It was students who encouraged other students to speak up and get engaged in pushing for change immediately. They spoke out loud and clear and spread the word on tv and social media.

All nationwide peaceful protests need organizational assistance and resources in getting permits, addressing security issues, safely mobilizing, and related logistics. Whether it's a Tea Party protest, a political rally, or a student walk-out / march.

The claim or insinuation that all or most of the students were just goof offs looking for a few minutes outside the classroom and/or that the students involved in the organization are just being manipulated by adults...... are weak attempts to discredit the young people and their passions/efforts, in my opinion.

(03-15-2018, 11:02 AM)Maggot Wrote: But hey BH saw it on television and that's what really counts. I do not need to call her any names though, I will reserve that right for anyone that can see the truth for themselves.

You can call her an old slut, it's alright.

Quite a few "not my prez" and 'no wall" signs in the gun protest walkout.

(03-15-2018, 11:41 AM)Jimbone Wrote:

(03-15-2018, 11:02 AM)Maggot Wrote: lots of kids had signs that said "Its not guns, its mental instability" and "we need better security" those posters did not make the headlines. The ones that did were "stop gun violence' and 'stop guns"

This was one of my favorites from yesterday:



Who wants to tell them?

Seriously, so many of these kids are woefully misinformed and uneducated on the cause they are marching for. It undermines their message, unfortunately.

How does it undermine their message?

What if that student thinks a school house should have equal security to the White House?

Or, what if she believes that it's much easier to infiltrate a school which is technically considered 'gun free' but is, in reality, only gun free until someone decides to sneak a gun in like what happened in Florida (and that more gun control would help solve that problem)?

A student's message that doesn't adhere to your opinion or isn't in alignment with every other student's opinion doesn't automatically mean she's less informed than you or other students.

(03-15-2018, 11:50 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: The claim or insinuation that all or most of the students were just goof offs looking for a few minutes outside the classroom and/or that the students involved in the organization are just being manipulated by adults...... are weak attempts to discredit the young people and their passions/efforts, in my opinion.

What in your own opinion would be the percentage of goof-offs and serious students?

I would probably say ⁷⁰⁄₃₀ with the goof offs being the 70% could you even answer the question in your own opinion?

Many of these young people are juniors & seniors, they're young adults. In this setting I see a few of you addressing them as just kids who don't even really know or understand the issue at hand yet if I were to substitute the walkout with them protesting their right to use weapons y'all would be all over that shit in support. You'd be saying they were close to adulthood with good heads on their shoulders with the ability to make decisions for themselves.

(03-15-2018, 12:07 PM)Maggot Wrote:

(03-15-2018, 11:50 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: The claim or insinuation that all or most of the students were just goof offs looking for a few minutes outside the classroom and/or that the students involved in the organization are just being manipulated by adults...... are weak attempts to discredit the young people and their passions/efforts, in my opinion.

What in your own opinion would be the percentage of goof-offs and serious students?

I would probably say ⁷⁰⁄₃₀ with the goof offs being the 70% could you even answer the question in your own opinion?

I say it's pretty arrogant to assume 70% are goof offs unless you've listened to all the participants and they told you that they just wanted to go outside and fuck around for a short while.

The students I've heard discussing their motives weren't looking for a brief reprieve from the class room, they wanted to make a point and pay respect to the dead victims. They don't all agree on how to minimize or solve the problem, but they put a lot of thought into the issue and certainly didn't strike me as goof offs.

I haven't talked to all of the students, however, so I wouldn't presume to label them all 'goof offs' or put a percentage on 'the right ones' vs. 'the wrong ones'.

I don't think all young people are lazy little bastards, or that student activists must be ignorant people being manipulated by adults though. I also don't think anyone advocating for gun control is wrong, even when I don't share their opinions about how to best curb gun violence at schools.

The immediate solution is better security in schools starting today, it seems to me that is what they want. The driving force behind it is gun control not immediate solutions I guess.

(03-15-2018, 12:17 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(03-15-2018, 12:07 PM)Maggot Wrote:

(03-15-2018, 11:50 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: The claim or insinuation that all or most of the students were just goof offs looking for a few minutes outside the classroom and/or that the students involved in the organization are just being manipulated by adults...... are weak attempts to discredit the young people and their passions/efforts, in my opinion.

What in your own opinion would be the percentage of goof-offs and serious students?

I would probably say ⁷⁰⁄₃₀ with the goof offs being the 70% could you even answer the question in your own opinion?

I say it's pretty arrogant to assume 70% are goof offs unless you've listened to all the participants and they told you that they just wanted to go outside and fuck around for a short while.

The students I've heard discussing their motives weren't looking for a brief reprieve from the class room, they wanted to make a point and pay respect to the dead victims. They don't all agree on how to minimize or solve the problem, but they put a lot of thought into the issue and certainly didn't strike me as goof offs.

I haven't talked to all of the students, however, so I wouldn't presume to label them all 'goof offs' or put a percentage on 'the right ones' vs. 'the wrong ones'.

I don't think all young people are lazy little bastards, or that student activists must be ignorant people being manipulated by adults though. I also don't think anyone advocating for gun control is wrong, even when I don't share their opinions about how to best curb gun violence at schools.

OK that does not answer the question but in your own head you have. Ok...........i will roll with it.

(03-15-2018, 12:19 PM)Maggot Wrote: The immediate solution is better security in schools starting today, it seems to me that is what they want. The driving force behind it is gun control not immediate solutions I guess.

Some of them certainly do want better school security. They've said so.

They're getting it; the Congress approved the funding yesterday.

However, that's not mutually exclusive to other changes which they believe would help minimize or stop school shootings. Some who support enhanced school security also strongly support raising the purchase age for long guns or bans on certain semi-automatic rifles + red flag laws + much better mandated mental health treatment.

(03-15-2018, 12:21 PM)Maggot Wrote: OK that does not answer the question but in your own head you have. Ok...........i will roll with it.

I answered your question clearly. You just don't like the answer Mags.

It's not possible for me to assess and express an informed opinion regarding the thoughts of thousands of students based on what I've heard from probably around 50.

However, having really listened to those I've heard, I know it's ignorant to make a blanket statement that the students participating in walk outs just want out of school and are insincere liars.

While you feel you have the uncanny ability to read their minds, I don't.