(03-01-2019, 05:28 PM)Maggot Wrote:

(03-01-2019, 05:15 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-01-2019, 05:03 PM)Maggot Wrote: Most abortions are performed on blacks and latinos, if the pubs were so racist they would not care but yeah they care. As a matter of fact planned parenthood was created to get rid of black babies which was a democrat initiative. If you need an education on any of that let me know.   I personally do not think abortions should be done after 45 days. A woman should know somethings up by then when their period is late. At the point after 60 days its 2 people that need to be considered not just the Mother. And the Fathers should have a say in things that is if they are noble enough to stick around.

I read about Margaret Sanger and recently talked about her in Mock. Fascinating woman. When you talk about Planned Parenthood being created to get rid of black babies how come you don't elaborate on how she made it her life's work to help those down trodden women? She created Planned Parenthood to help women and you present it as if she was the devil incarnate who worked to get rid of black people. You're post is disingenuous.

She was a big fan of eugenics, back in her day it was popular. The pros and cons of Margret are numerous though and cherry picking the parts that each argument proposes is the enigma of her movement.

We showed you her own words. You can pretend she is a saint or just misunderstood if you like. I am not willing to pretend that

What kind of idiot would say he has a right to tell a woman what she can do with her body?

(03-02-2019, 02:32 PM)BigMark Wrote: What kind of idiot would say he has a right to tell a woman what she can do with her body?

the federal, state and local governments

Drinking and driving, drug use, prostitution are some things she has no right to do with her body. 

Abortion affects more than the woman, it effects the father, and it sure as hell effects the baby. What about those rights?

(03-02-2019, 04:46 PM)pyropappy Wrote: Drinking and driving, drug use, prostitution are some things she has no right to do with her body.

Excuse me. You don't get a say in what women do, women that aren't your wife anyway. Nunya biz, pal. 

(03-02-2019, 05:18 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(03-02-2019, 04:46 PM)pyropappy Wrote: Drinking and driving, drug use, prostitution are some things she has no right to do with her body.

Excuse me. You don't get a say in what women do, women that aren't your wife anyway. Nunya biz, pal. 

wrong again, I vote. I get lots of say, and the good news is we are in the majority. More and more are joining the pro life cause. Keep pushing, please keep pushing.

(03-02-2019, 07:21 PM)pyropappy Wrote: Keep pushing, please keep pushing.

Are you threatening me, mister?  I'll push your fuckin' buttons till pigs fly.  *flexes*

No he is asking generally people from the Left to keep pushing further idiocy and go further Leftist Progressive.

(03-02-2019, 08:09 PM)Fry Guy Wrote: No he is asking generally people from the Left to keep pushing further idiocy and go further Leftist Progressive.

exactly

Lets make a law about what men can do with their sperm then.

The whole drinking and driving-that is men and women, prostitution-it used to be that only the women got prosecuted-so go ahead and tell me how they want to regulate your bodies now. And drug use-that includes everyone too.

If people want to take away planned parenthood because of the abortions-they need to see all of the other things they do that are helpful-such as provide medical care and birth control-I don't see any other program doing that.
It is pretty fucked up to try to take it down.

For me its like this-I don't smoke pot but it is legal. If a politician votes for the legalization of pot-I'm not going to change my vote because of it. I'm just not going to use pot.
I think the same is true for abortions. Those that are against it-just don't have an abortion. If you are a guy-well think twice about where you put your dick and who you give your sperm to.

(03-02-2019, 11:23 PM)MirahM Wrote: If you are a guy-well think twice about where you put your dick and who you give your sperm to.

I am a guy and no girl I have ever been with needed to have an abortion and both my children were by design. So I am not the guy on here you are speaking to, which of the guys who are male posters here and subject to this are you appealing to and why?

See, the thing is MOST "guys" ARE responsible about using protection and manning up to their responsibilities. MOST. Certainly I am going to assume that this is likely to include every male here.

It is the same as asking guys to not rape or not to be spouse beaters or not to be Psychopaths. The incidents of such men in society (whilst absolutely existent) is not huge percentage-wise of the population. When you have a small handful of regular male posters you are far from likely to be able to appeal to that fringe group of males.

So why the appeal to guys (being read exclusively by the males here) in the first place?

And I guess out of interest, just because it got me curious, what DID you want to do with men's sperm?

(03-02-2019, 11:23 PM)MirahM Wrote: The whole drinking and driving-that is men and women, prostitution-it used to be that only the women got prosecuted-so go ahead and tell me how they want to regulate your bodies now. And drug use-that includes everyone too.

If people want to take away planned parenthood because of the abortions-they need to see all of the other things they do that are helpful-such as provide medical care and birth control-I don't see any other program doing that.
It is pretty fucked up to try to take it down.
M,
For me its like this-I don't smoke pot but it is legal. If a politician votes for the legalization of pot-I'm not going to change my vote because of it. I'm just not going to use pot.
I think the same is true for abortions. Those that are against it-just don't have an abortion. If you are a guy-well think twice about where you put your dick and who you give your sperm to.

MirahM, clearly  you have not thought this through.  The argument that I, or anyone else can not tell a woman what she can or can not do with her body is specious. Society dictates all kinds of say over us; as my example demonstrates. 

PP provides abortion. They refer patients else where for health care; that is a fact. Four thousand abortions occur every day; the over whelming majority at PP. Since 1973 there have been 40 million abortions in the US; that is birth control not health care. 

The simple truth is a baby has a right to life; that is nature's law and the law of this country. To claim other wise is pure BULLSHIT. Abortion is legal; abortion is taking life of a person. Under our laws it is legal to deprive a person of their life. The catch is you have to prove in court why you want to deprive that person of their life. So, I say you want an abortion do it 
legally; go to court and get a judge to sign off on each and every  one. 

Society is changing their mind; technology has improved so much you can see the baby now. Neuro surgeons are operating invitro to save babies and their mothers. 

Unplanned got an R rating because of the abortion scenes; they are disturbing. They show an actual sonogram of an abortion procedure. You see the baby fight for it's life before it is sucked into the suction tube. Disturbing doesn't go far enough; it's ghastly. Abby Johnson is going to be a formidable adversary to PP.

Oh brother.  

The entire thing has caused an uproar because of the late term and once born abortions have become the new fad or wish from the left. It's an "in your face" type of legislation that's raising peoples blood pressure. Whats next, putting old people to "sleep" if they are not viable? It does raise some issues.

They already do that, it's called Hospice. If you have cancer call them and they'll have you gone within a month.

(03-03-2019, 11:04 AM)Maggot Wrote: Whats next, putting old people to "sleep" if they are not viable? It does raise some issues.

Y'all tried that line when the Affordable Care Act first came out. It only works on people who don't care about facts, or in a word, republicans.

I just don't think that backing late term abortions or after birth abortions was a very good political decision. Way to much backlash on that one. All it does is alienate Americans from the Democratic party and proves a viable point.

(03-03-2019, 12:49 PM)Maggot Wrote: I just don't think that backing late term abortions or after birth abortions was a very good political decision. Way to much backlash on that one. All it does is alienate Americans from the Democratic party and proves a viable point.

Maggot, no one, and I mean no one with a grain of sense and compassion wants to see late term abortions. You can bet your bank account that if that procedure is taking place late in pregnancy there is a damn good reason for it. Women aren't having late term abortion because they want to, if you cared to read about it you would find life & death reasons for them doing so. Why in the world would you think people make these decisions if they didn't have to? I think you do so because you believe the rhetoric your party pushes. They lie to you, Maggot, nearly daily now and you make the choice to believe them. I don't.

I have read the proposed legislation and am not basing any observations on hearsay. But saying my opinion will not change anyone's own belief. I'm not trying to change anybody's set in stone mindset that's impossible.

Why not just make abortions illegal past 16 weeks with the exception of severe fetal anomalies or the women's life in jeopardy. Seems simple enough, but I guess not. Now they're starting this shit about after birth abortions which I agree with Maggot is a stupid political move. Let's say the baby is born with severe problems and not expected to live and the problems were never detected during pregnancy (very rare), is it really necessary to kill it? Just leave it up to the parents if they want to take life supporting measures or not.

(03-03-2019, 01:22 PM)Maggot Wrote: I'm not trying to change anybody's set in stone mindset that's impossible.

I would never try to change your set in stone mindset, nor anyone else's.