(11-15-2021, 10:35 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 09:55 PM)Maggot Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 09:43 PM)rothschild Wrote: Both parties are in the service of the rich and powerful, who I have nothing in common with. Absolutely nothing.

You can say Trump had nothing to do with removing the red tape that stopped quite a few things and you may say that his policy of ending new government agencies with removing two first or you could say that he did nothing to create a robust economy by removing laws that were created by past administrations that were a waste of money. But you cannot deny that right now at this moment in time that things are not better than they were a year ago. 

Covide did not do this, policy did.

What I'm saying is this: Trump had 4 years to put the brakes on what we're seeing and experiencing right now, and he failed, largely because too many of his appointments were establishmentarians. Of course the economy was better then, because the supply chains hadn't been decimated.

I agree that COVID has nothing to do with any of this -- it is 100% the COVID response that is to blame. The fact that world leaders around the world are willing to sacrifice the supply chains that keep food on the supermarket shelves shows very clearly that this is about population reduction. We have to eat food, COVID or no COVID, so there's no longer any question at all whether vaccine mandates are intended to save lives. They are not, and Trump -- or anyone else, for that matter -- is not going to save us. We have to do it ourselves, by standing up and saying no.

You want economic sanity back, which is understandable, but that isn't going to happen unless we beat back this conspiracy. I tried telling you almost a year ago what this is about and you laughed. You were sure that it was going away and all would be good again. Well, you were wrong. It hasn't gone away, and it isn't going to until We The People stand up and make ourselves heard. You want your nation back, Maggot? How badly? How much is a nation like ours worth? Is it worth fighting for, or are you going to continue pretending that this can be fixed at the ballot box? What do you think the Founding Fathers would do in this situation?

Amen, this situation is the culmination of what I have been warning about for the past ten years. DC will never fix it self, period. We need Article V or another civil war. The choice is yours America.

(11-15-2021, 10:54 PM)pyropappy Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 10:35 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 09:55 PM)Maggot Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 09:43 PM)rothschild Wrote: Both parties are in the service of the rich and powerful, who I have nothing in common with. Absolutely nothing.

You can say Trump had nothing to do with removing the red tape that stopped quite a few things and you may say that his policy of ending new government agencies with removing two first or you could say that he did nothing to create a robust economy by removing laws that were created by past administrations that were a waste of money. But you cannot deny that right now at this moment in time that things are not better than they were a year ago. 

Covide did not do this, policy did.

What I'm saying is this: Trump had 4 years to put the brakes on what we're seeing and experiencing right now, and he failed, largely because too many of his appointments were establishmentarians. Of course the economy was better then, because the supply chains hadn't been decimated.

I agree that COVID has nothing to do with any of this -- it is 100% the COVID response that is to blame. The fact that world leaders around the world are willing to sacrifice the supply chains that keep food on the supermarket shelves shows very clearly that this is about population reduction. We have to eat food, COVID or no COVID, so there's no longer any question at all whether vaccine mandates are intended to save lives. They are not, and Trump -- or anyone else, for that matter -- is not going to save us. We have to do it ourselves, by standing up and saying no.

You want economic sanity back, which is understandable, but that isn't going to happen unless we beat back this conspiracy. I tried telling you almost a year ago what this is about and you laughed. You were sure that it was going away and all would be good again. Well, you were wrong. It hasn't gone away, and it isn't going to until We The People stand up and make ourselves heard. You want your nation back, Maggot? How badly? How much is a nation like ours worth? Is it worth fighting for, or are you going to continue pretending that this can be fixed at the ballot box? What do you think the Founding Fathers would do in this situation?

Amen, this situation is the culmination of what I have been warning about for the past ten years. DC will never fix it self, period. We need Article V or another civil war. The choice is yours America.

Article V would be, should be the way to go.

Unfortunately, the ever powerful power hungry selfish charlatans in DC will not allow that to happen, peacefully!

A last resort Civil War would be disastrous for all, neighbor against neighbor, brother against brother, father against son, the North and South all over again!

Since the Civil war, things are different now. The Firepower and equipment of our government is insurmountable by civilians and only their puny guns!

Catastrophic tragedy to say the least.

What a Quagmire!!! 

(11-15-2021, 11:29 PM)Carsman Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 10:54 PM)pyropappy Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 10:35 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 09:55 PM)Maggot Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 09:43 PM)rothschild Wrote: Both parties are in the service of the rich and powerful, who I have nothing in common with. Absolutely nothing.

You can say Trump had nothing to do with removing the red tape that stopped quite a few things and you may say that his policy of ending new government agencies with removing two first or you could say that he did nothing to create a robust economy by removing laws that were created by past administrations that were a waste of money. But you cannot deny that right now at this moment in time that things are not better than they were a year ago. 

Covide did not do this, policy did.

What I'm saying is this: Trump had 4 years to put the brakes on what we're seeing and experiencing right now, and he failed, largely because too many of his appointments were establishmentarians. Of course the economy was better then, because the supply chains hadn't been decimated.

I agree that COVID has nothing to do with any of this -- it is 100% the COVID response that is to blame. The fact that world leaders around the world are willing to sacrifice the supply chains that keep food on the supermarket shelves shows very clearly that this is about population reduction. We have to eat food, COVID or no COVID, so there's no longer any question at all whether vaccine mandates are intended to save lives. They are not, and Trump -- or anyone else, for that matter -- is not going to save us. We have to do it ourselves, by standing up and saying no.

You want economic sanity back, which is understandable, but that isn't going to happen unless we beat back this conspiracy. I tried telling you almost a year ago what this is about and you laughed. You were sure that it was going away and all would be good again. Well, you were wrong. It hasn't gone away, and it isn't going to until We The People stand up and make ourselves heard. You want your nation back, Maggot? How badly? How much is a nation like ours worth? Is it worth fighting for, or are you going to continue pretending that this can be fixed at the ballot box? What do you think the Founding Fathers would do in this situation?

Amen, this situation is the culmination of what I have been warning about for the past ten years. DC will never fix it self, period. We need Article V or another civil war. The choice is yours America.

Article V would be, should be the way to go.

Unfortunately, the ever powerful power hungry selfish charlatans in DC will not allow that to happen, peacefully!

A last resort Civil War would be disastrous for all, neighbor against neighbor, brother against brother, father against son, the North and South all over again!

Since the Civil war, things are different now. The Firepower and equipment of our government is insurmountable by civilians and only their puny guns!

Catastrophic tragedy to say the least.

What a Quagmire!!! 

Civil disobedience is sufficient, Cars. They're counting on us giving in to coercion, and I don't think they want to use the military unless we force them to, which would be foolish. Civil disobedience will cause many in their service to question what they're doing. Henry David Thoreau wrote a beautiful essay titled On the Duty of Civil Disobedience. Moral force should not be underestimated. It can sway hearts and minds.

(11-15-2021, 11:29 PM)Carsman Wrote: Unfortunately, the ever powerful power hungry selfish charlatans in DC will not allow that to happen, peacefully!

DC has nothing to do with calling an Article V convention; that process is controlled by State Legislatures exclusively.

Once 34 States agree, the only thing Congress does is name the time and place for it to happen.

(11-16-2021, 04:05 AM)pyropappy Wrote:

(11-15-2021, 11:29 PM)Carsman Wrote: Unfortunately, the ever powerful power hungry selfish charlatans in DC will not allow that to happen, peacefully!

DC has nothing to do with calling an Article V convention; that process is controlled by State Legislatures exclusively.

Once 34 States agree, the only thing Congress does is name the time and place for it to happen.

If we can win the war, a constitutional convention would definitely be in order, but what's the point before that happens? The polarization has to be neutralized before we'll be able to come together and agree on anything.

(11-16-2021, 11:20 AM)rothschild Wrote: If we can win the war, a constitutional convention would definitely be in order, but what's the point before that happens? The polarization has to be neutralized before we'll be able to come together and agree on anything.

under Article 5, there are two ways to amend the Constitution.


in paragraph one, congress has the authority to propose amendments. do you hear any in congress proposing they limit their power? remember it will take a super majority to approve any proposed changes. can we get two thirds of them to agree on anything?

the founders knew this day would come, and Col. George Mason insisted we have an alternative method. the framers approved the second paragraph with no debate; it was self evident that the government would never vote to limit themselves.

here are the facts the elite don't want you to know.

there is a difference between a Constitutional Convention (rewriting the whole document) and an Amending Convention (only approved items may be debated), which the Article 5 convention is.

the commissioners are appointed by the state legislatures, not congress, and they will not have plenipotentiary powers.

first, the resolution passed by the 34 state legislatures must propose the same topics.

second, the commissioners appointed must adhere to the resolution passed by the legislature and if they attempt to insert something else they will be gaveled out of order.

third and most important, any amendment to the constitution passed by the Article 5 convention must then be ratified by 38 states before they become adopted.

the fact is, any chance of fixing this broken system must come from outside the beltway, and the Article 5 Convention is our best way to wrest power from the elites and return it to we the people, other than civil war.

(11-16-2021, 12:59 PM)pyropappy Wrote:

(11-16-2021, 11:20 AM)rothschild Wrote: If we can win the war, a constitutional convention would definitely be in order, but what's the point before that happens? The polarization has to be neutralized before we'll be able to come together and agree on anything.

under Article 5, there are two ways to amend the Constitution.


in paragraph one, congress has the authority to propose amendments. do you hear any in congress proposing they limit their power? remember it will take a super majority to approve any proposed changes. can we get two thirds of them to agree on anything?

the founders knew this day would come, and Col. George Mason insisted we have an alternative method. the framers approved the second paragraph with no debate; it was self evident that the government would never vote to limit themselves.

here are the facts the elite don't want you to know.

there is a difference between a Constitutional Convention (rewriting the whole document) and an Amending Convention (only approved items may be debated), which the Article 5 convention is.

the commissioners are appointed by the state legislatures, not congress, and they will not have plenipotentiary powers.

first, the resolution passed by the 34 state legislatures must propose the same topics.

second, the commissioners appointed must adhere to the resolution passed by the legislature and if they attempt to insert something else they will be gaveled out of order.

third and most important, any amendment to the constitution passed by the Article 5 convention must then be ratified by 38 states before they become adopted.

the fact is, any chance of fixing this broken system must come from outside the beltway, and the Article 5 Convention is our best way to wrest power from the elites and return it to we the people, other than civil war.

Why would the global financial mafiya care about any of this? All they care about is raw power now that the masks have come off, they have little or no concern for legitimacy at this point.

We don't need a convention to authorize disobedience, that's an inalienable right, so why try to convene one prior to taking back control of our communities?

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "taking back control of our communities"? I ask because generally speaking, it's the people who put others in charge of their community through voting. They do so because in their opinion, that person is the right person for the job. Majority rules.

(11-16-2021, 07:12 PM)Duchess Wrote: Can you elaborate on what you mean by "taking back control of our communities"? I ask because generally speaking, it's the people who put others in charge of their community through voting. They do so because in their opinion, that person is the right person for the job. Majority rules.

What I'm saying above is predicated on having concluded that there is a global conspiracy underway for the purpose of establishing global governance by merging central banks with security and intelligence agencies, and the UN. I believe it is also intended to cause significant depopulation, by utilizing "vaccines" that are intentionally designed to be "leaky", meaning they don't kill the virus, resulting in continual waves of mutations and mandated boosters, which leaves us with a positive feedback loop that destroys the human immune system. The supply chains are collapsing as a direct result of COVID policy, so hunger will also be used to enforce the mandates.

My desire it to preserve individual, community, and national sovereignty. I want nothing whatsoever to do with a world government run by the likes of Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos. As for voting, how many people in this world do you think want more of what we've been experiencing the last 2 years? How many people voted for the abuse of emergency powers that has left us in a situation that is grim beyond all reckoning?

If they don't like America, I mean they can just leave then.

Whenver the democrats or anyone else besides the Republicans said that America needed a change it was called "Being un-American and un Patriotic"

Funny that "Make America great again" campaign wasn't seen as that.

No one here will get this or see the irony in it with the exception of one.

Who knew the way to fix everything was to just file bankruptcy and just print money, see that was easy.

I took a very healthy drumpf this morning.

It's so embarrassing that this barking lunatic was the president of the United States.

Yes, Trump is a sack of shit, but the only reason he was elected is because the Democrites ran an equally shitty bag named Hilary. And it's pretty goddamned funny that the Clinton's encouraged Trump to run because they were certain Hilly could beat him. Wrong!

(11-20-2021, 06:44 PM)rothschild Wrote: Yes, Trump is a sack of shit, but the only reason he was elected is because the Democrites ran an equally shitty bag named Hilary. And it's pretty goddamned funny that the Clinton's encouraged Trump to run because they were certain Hilly could beat him. Wrong! 

Many people didn't vote for Donald, they voted "against" Hillary!

(11-20-2021, 09:14 PM)Carsman Wrote:

(11-20-2021, 06:44 PM)rothschild Wrote: Yes, Trump is a sack of shit, but the only reason he was elected is because the Democrites ran an equally shitty bag named Hilary. And it's pretty goddamned funny that the Clinton's encouraged Trump to run because they were certain Hilly could beat him. Wrong! 

Many people didn't vote for Donald, they voted "against" Hillary!

I can't think of any other candidates in our political history that had negatives as high as theirs. How much more evidence do people need that our electoral politics is bankrupt?

(11-20-2021, 11:04 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-20-2021, 09:14 PM)Carsman Wrote:

(11-20-2021, 06:44 PM)rothschild Wrote: Yes, Trump is a sack of shit, but the only reason he was elected is because the Democrites ran an equally shitty bag named Hilary. And it's pretty goddamned funny that the Clinton's encouraged Trump to run because they were certain Hilly could beat him. Wrong! 

Many people didn't vote for Donald, they voted "against" Hillary!

I can't think of any other candidates in our political history that had negatives as high as theirs. How much more evidence do people need that our electoral politics is bankrupt?

The Electoral College Vote should be abolished! The Majority Vote should prevail.
Term Limits should be imposed on Congress members, as well as well advanced (old farts) age limits imposed! IMO.

Only one president, Grover Cleveland, has been voted out of office and then gone on to serve another term, but it has been said Former President Donald Trump may have a chance of becoming the second.

"Donald" will continue to stoke the emotions and energy of his loyal voter base through claims of election fraud," and that repeating claims of a stolen election could be effective.

"By his continued accusations of the election being 'stolen' from him, this prevents psychological closure of the election for both himself and those who voted for him," so it could "intensify his voters' loyalty."

That being said, the next four years are an open book, and the country has no idea what the political climate of 2024 might look like.

If Americans have learned anything over the course of Donald's presidency, it's to expect the unexpected.

Whether or not Donald's hypothetical 2024 run for president is successful or not, the very idea still presents challenges to his party.

There are certainly other Republican candidates who are already eying the opportunity to run in the next election, and Donald would still have to campaign against them in the primary.

If he did lose the primary and chose to run as a third-party candidate, whether as a Libertarian or something else, the fear for Republicans is that his supporters will still vote for him over the Republican nominee, essentially handing the election to the Democrats. Leave to Donald, the spoiler!