(09-04-2022, 12:57 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 12:44 PM)sally Wrote:  None of that is true. I grew up with poor people with no health insurance all of my life. If you are a broke joke you can apply for financial assistance for your health care and you will get it. They don’t just throw you to the street to suffer and die.

None of that is on account of Republicans. Reagan was a scum-sucking Thatcherite who changed the school lunch program so that ketchup became a vegetable. Guess he never got the memo that tomatos are fruit, not vegetables.

Seems like they could have improved the school lunch program since the Reagan era, it's still a disgrace. I thought Michelle Obama was cleaning that mess up. The school called me once saying my daughter was at the clinic because she threw up, I asked her what she ate there and she told me chocolate milk with cocoa puffs and french toast sticks with strawberry syrup. No surprise she threw up, are they trying to give them diabetes. Would it kill them to serve a boiled egg, piece of non sugared toast and a banana instead? The kids will eat it if they're hungry.

(09-04-2022, 01:30 PM)sally Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 12:57 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 12:44 PM)sally Wrote:  None of that is true. I grew up with poor people with no health insurance all of my life. If you are a broke joke you can apply for financial assistance for your health care and you will get it. They don’t just throw you to the street to suffer and die.

None of that is on account of Republicans. Reagan was a scum-sucking Thatcherite who changed the school lunch program so that ketchup became a vegetable. Guess he never got the memo that tomatos are fruit, not vegetables.

Seems like they could have improved the school lunch program since the Reagan era, it's still a disgrace. I thought Michelle Obama was cleaning that mess up. The school called me once saying my daughter was at the clinic because she threw up, I asked her what she ate there and she told me chocolate milk with cocoa puffs and french toast sticks with strawberry syrup. No surprise she threw up, are they trying to give them diabetes. Would it kill them to serve a boiled egg, piece of non sugared toast and a banana instead? The kids will eat it if they're hungry.

That's why I'd kill most of the federal agencies. Now you have soda machines in schools. Soda's loaded with corn syrup, which is poison. Much worse than sugar, but much cheaper. So yeah, govenment and the corporate sector do *not* have our best interests at heart.

(09-04-2022, 11:55 AM)rothschild Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 10:58 AM)Maggot Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 10:19 AM)rothschild Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 09:57 AM)Maggot Wrote: No matter any issue there will always be a negative aspect. We try and help people but it never seems to be enough. Because it's just never enough, there will always be a "but what about this" many people like to look at the dark side and claim they are better but I always try to look at the bright side of life........Que the Monty Python skit.

Price gouging is a healthy business practice? How about Medicare fraud, another healthy business practice? 

People who stand for nothing deserve nothing, and guess what? looks like a whole lot of nothing on the horizon. Hopefully your cheezy platitudes will make up for it, but I kind of doubt it.

Some people will never be happy, it's the way of the world and you have to step back and say " thanks for holding the door open" 

Is it really so bad? Snap outta it.

To answer that question you have to be able to put yourself in other people's shoes. And how does happiness come into being for those who lack even the basic necessities that're required to maintain one's existence? It doesn't, so this has nothing to do with happiness. Access to insulin is completely different from debt-forgiveness, but even then, there are many among the privileged who enjoy such luxuries at the same time they begrudge they're being available for those who aren't so "lucky". The playing field is decidedly unlevel, and until that's rectified you don't have a pot to piss in here. If we eliminated the Federal Reserve System you would have zero tax liability and the playing field would be leveled to a very significant degree. If you're not willing to help make that happen, you have nothing to complain about with respect to Democratic excess, because the two are inextricably linked -- ditto for Republican excess.

The poor get their insulin. The middle class are the ones who pay for the poor's insulin and have to count their pennies to pay for their own insulin when their insurance that they pay ridiculous premiums on doesn't cover it all. The poor are covered insured or not and they get subsidized affordable insurance if they choose to. And now they weaponized the IRS to go after us moderately wealthy (whatever you'd consider that) people even more.

C'mon. There is literally a fuck ton of information available that shows there are Americans who do not have access to insulin, or healthcare in general, and they are suffering or dying because of it. Stop painting a rosy picture of healthcare in America. It's bullshit.

(09-04-2022, 04:02 PM)sally Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 11:55 AM)rothschild Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 10:58 AM)Maggot Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 10:19 AM)rothschild Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 09:57 AM)Maggot Wrote: No matter any issue there will always be a negative aspect. We try and help people but it never seems to be enough. Because it's just never enough, there will always be a "but what about this" many people like to look at the dark side and claim they are better but I always try to look at the bright side of life........Que the Monty Python skit.

Price gouging is a healthy business practice? How about Medicare fraud, another healthy business practice? 

People who stand for nothing deserve nothing, and guess what? looks like a whole lot of nothing on the horizon. Hopefully your cheezy platitudes will make up for it, but I kind of doubt it.

Some people will never be happy, it's the way of the world and you have to step back and say " thanks for holding the door open" 

Is it really so bad? Snap outta it.

To answer that question you have to be able to put yourself in other people's shoes. And how does happiness come into being for those who lack even the basic necessities that're required to maintain one's existence? It doesn't, so this has nothing to do with happiness. Access to insulin is completely different from debt-forgiveness, but even then, there are many among the privileged who enjoy such luxuries at the same time they begrudge they're being available for those who aren't so "lucky". The playing field is decidedly unlevel, and until that's rectified you don't have a pot to piss in here. If we eliminated the Federal Reserve System you would have zero tax liability and the playing field would be leveled to a very significant degree. If you're not willing to help make that happen, you have nothing to complain about with respect to Democratic excess, because the two are inextricably linked -- ditto for Republican excess.

The poor get their insulin. The middle class are the ones who pay for the poor's insulin and have to count their pennies to pay for their own insulin when their insurance that they pay ridiculous premiums on doesn't cover it all. The poor are covered insured or not and they get subsidized affordable insurance if they choose to. And now they weaponized the IRS to go after us moderately wealthy (whatever you'd consider that) people even more.

It's the policymakers that are destroying the middle class, not poor people. The waste, mismangement and outright fraud perpetrated by the whores that constitute our government. Before Obama came along medicaid was the most efficient government program BY FAR. Now it's a bad as medicare, because of CORRUPTION, not poor people.

Watch this video about John Calhoun's mouse experiments and you should be able to see that LBJ's "welfare" programs were modeled on them. This is why poor people frequently have negative attitudes and inner-city "culture" is in the gutter. Because that was the intended outcome from day one. This is how you destroy a nation from the inside, by making an entire class of people dependent on another class. So again, it isn't poor people who're to blame, because they had nothing at all to do with the policies that underlie social experimentation.

I didn't mean to insinuate that the poor are the problem. I was clearing up Piglet's misconception that the poor in this country are denied healthcare, they get the best healthcare. The system is designed that they will be taken care of while remaining poor and the elite will remain elite, and those in the middle will take the all the heat. Maybe even eliminate that class that falls between middle and moderately wealthy all together which looks like their goal.

(09-04-2022, 06:33 PM)sally Wrote: I didn't mean to insinuate that the poor are the problem. I was clearing up Piglet's misconception that the poor in this country are denied healthcare, they get the best healthcare. The system is designed that they will be taken care of while remaining poor and the elite will remain elite, and those in the middle will take the all the heat. Maybe even eliminate that class that falls between middle and moderately wealthy all together which looks like their goal.

Poor people aren't going to fare any better, though it might seem that way because they have considerably less to lose.

You really should watch that video when you get some time. It'll open your eyes if you watch from the perspective of social experimentation rather than animal experimentation. It isn't the results of the experiments that I find disturbing, but rather, the striking similarity between them and the programs that are commonly referred to as "welfare". In both instance you see that only the most basic necessities are provided for, while emotional/psychological needs are completely neglected.

I watched the video and that was my point. That's how you keep poor people poor, just where they want them. I came from poor white trash, that whole white privilege thing bypassed my door. Growing up that way I've learned that poor people have a mindset that they are owed these basic necessities and most are content with just that. Then one decides to do something a little better, moving up to the east side as the Jefferson's say you know, and then it pisses you right the fuck off that you're now footing the bill for all these niggers and white trash while the elite who run the show are laughing at their little rodent experiment. That's how it works.

And the rich do pay most of the taxes, it's a myth that they don't. The middle feels the most burden though.

(09-04-2022, 08:41 PM)sally Wrote: I watched the video and that was my point. That's how you keep poor people poor, just where they want them. I came from poor white trash, that whole white privilege thing bypassed my door. Growing up that way I've learned that poor people have a mindset that they are owed these basic necessities and most are content with just that. Then one decides to do something a little better, moving up to the east side as the Jefferson's say you know, and then it pisses you right the fuck off that you're now footing the bill for all these niggers and white trash while the elite who run the show are laughing at their little rodent experiment. That's how it works.

People are what you make of them. Welfare was designed to instill dependency. A captive constituency for you-know-who. Intergenerational dependency = slavery. We're talking about people who've been destroyed psychologically. Their attitudes are precisely what you'd expect from people born and raised in dysfunctionality, in violence-plagued ghettos. It's a war zone in a lot of them, so I have empathy for them. Another contributing factor is the destruction of culture and it's replacement with consumerism, which conditions people to think that hapiness is derived from material possessions. Hapiness is derived from contentment, which is derived from wisdom. We're a degenerate society that's now coming apart at the seams because commonality is what holds societies together. Diversity isn't a bad thing, but it isn't what makes a society strong and healthy. The only thing that does is cohesiveness.

The real parasites are the financialists who run the Federal Reserve System. Money is created out of nothing. They're skimming all of the cream off of the economy without incurring any risk at all, which is theft. This is why income is taxed and why we have depressions, because that's the only way to cover up for the fraud. Heat up the economy with low-interest debt, watch the bubble blow up, and then raise interest rates and smile while billions of dollars in assets end up in your pockets due to a tidal wave of defaults. The principal means nothing, interest is all they care about, because the money is created out of nothing but digital keystrokes. This is why it's referred to as debt money. It's worthless paper unless you know when the crash is coming and you cash in your chips. The insiders know, which is why they never lose. And the people who create the money always have liquidity, which is everything when debts are being called in, but even more so after the crash, when you see the fire sales.

Creating a culture where saying babys momma doesn't induce a cringe.

(09-04-2022, 11:13 PM)BigMark Wrote: Creating a culture where saying babys momma doesn't induce a cringe.

This is how it works in Britain.  If i was 74 and knocked over, i would get taken to hospital, and given the care i needed.  If the hospital couldnt do what i needed, i would be transfrerred to one that could.

I would get rehab and medication if i needed it.  No questions asked, all free.  If i was homeless, i would stay in hospital till i was found a place, probably in an old folks home.   One of the problems with our system is that there are too many blocked beds, there are not enough places for older folks to go, if there was no one to care for them.

That organisation is called social services.   One one ends up on the street.

I would also be paid my pension, and various benefits that fit my situation, or ilnesses.   I would have a surplus.  If i was able to look after myself i would get a flat in a purpose built block. 

A scandal now hopefully remedied was foreingners, would fly here and have their babies then go home , or get cancer treatment etc.  All free, no checks were made.  

That is one of the reasons why the world wants to come here, weve haf 26,000 come over this year in boats.      Doing it this way means that  regardless of situation, you get the help you need.

No judgements are made.  Whether you deserve it or not.   Deserve is a wrong word, an American one, its judges and limits humanity.   If you are in pain, etc then you get what you need.    When it comes to the ideal of communism, Britain is closest to it, but we are not communist.

We have compassion in spades.

(09-05-2022, 08:24 AM)Piglet Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 11:13 PM)BigMark Wrote: Creating a culture where saying babys momma doesn't induce a cringe.

This is how it works in Britain.  If i was 74 and knocked over, i would get taken to hospital, and given the care i needed.  If the hospital couldnt do what i needed, i would be transfrerred to one that could.

I would get rehab and medication if i needed it.  No questions asked, all free.  If i was homeless, i would stay in hospital till i was found a place, probably in an old folks home.   One of the problems with our system is that there are too many blocked beds, there are not enough places for older folks to go, if there was no one to care for them.

That organisation is called social services.   One one ends up on the street.

I would also be paid my pension, and various benefits that fit my situation, or ilnesses.   I would have a surplus.  If i was able to look after myself i would get a flat in a purpose built block. 

A scandal now hopefully remedied was foreingners, would fly here and have their babies then go home , or get cancer treatment etc.  All free, no checks were made.  

That is one of the reasons why the world wants to come here, weve haf 26,000 come over this year in boats.      Doing it this way means that  regardless of situation, you get the help you need.

No judgements are made.  Whether you deserve it or not.   Deserve is a wrong word, an American one, its judges and limits humanity.   If you are in pain, etc then you get what you need.    When it comes to the ideal of communism, Britain is closest to it, but we are not communist.

We have compassion in spades.

Covid changed all that dramatically, leaving the masses -- elderly especially -- with triage. And since when is communism in any way, shape or form, ideal? In theory? That's a load of rot. Marx was nothing more than a poisonous snake who spoke with a forked tongue. Try reconciling the commie manifesto with his "scholarly" works and let us know how that works out.

(09-05-2022, 03:25 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(09-05-2022, 08:24 AM)Piglet Wrote:

(09-04-2022, 11:13 PM)BigMark Wrote: Creating a culture where saying babys momma doesn't induce a cringe.

This is how it works in Britain.  If i was 74 and knocked over, i would get taken to hospital, and given the care i needed.  If the hospital couldnt do what i needed, i would be transfrerred to one that could.

I would get rehab and medication if i needed it.  No questions asked, all free.  If i was homeless, i would stay in hospital till i was found a place, probably in an old folks home.   One of the problems with our system is that there are too many blocked beds, there are not enough places for older folks to go, if there was no one to care for them.

That organisation is called social services.   One one ends up on the street.

I would also be paid my pension, and various benefits that fit my situation, or ilnesses.   I would have a surplus.  If i was able to look after myself i would get a flat in a purpose built block. 

A scandal now hopefully remedied was foreingners, would fly here and have their babies then go home , or get cancer treatment etc.  All free, no checks were made.  

That is one of the reasons why the world wants to come here, weve haf 26,000 come over this year in boats.      Doing it this way means that  regardless of situation, you get the help you need.

No judgements are made.  Whether you deserve it or not.   Deserve is a wrong word, an American one, its judges and limits humanity.   If you are in pain, etc then you get what you need.    When it comes to the ideal of communism, Britain is closest to it, but we are not communist.

We have compassion in spades.

Covid changed all that dramatically, leaving the masses -- elderly especially -- with triage. And since when is communism in any way, shape or form, ideal? In theory? That's a load of rot. Marx was nothing more than a poisonous snake who spoke with a forked tongue. Try reconciling the commie manifesto with his "scholarly" works and let us know how that works out. 

I agree, i was just drawing a comparison.  Im a Tory, or in your country a republican.  Communism is evil.

I was hoping we could have a duel. You don't want to have a duel? I'll be Andrew Jackson and you can be Charles Dickinson.

(09-05-2022, 06:45 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I dont know who those two people are rothschild.  I know your always looking for a fight as entertainment, and you cheat.  I like a good spat, ind in that vein, id like to suggest that you have a mouth and the opinions of a ducks ass. 

If i were to walk along the river cam and see duck shit, i will think that it hasnt been long since you were there.

I hope obama tweeks your goolies.   America is a dog hole, you have no class, just look at Markle.  No manners either.  When was the last time you had afternoon tea and cucumber sandwiches.  Or a scone? 

You are a disgrace.   If aliens were to land they would land in England.

Are you talking to me or rothschild? I'm confused.

Before Andrew Jackson became president of the United States he was in a duel with attorney Charles Dickinson who he killed.

(09-06-2022, 08:17 AM)Piglet Wrote:   America is a dog hole

I love my country, but there isn't anyone in the entire world who is going to wake up this morning and want to emulate the United States of America.

(09-06-2022, 08:17 AM)Piglet Wrote:

(09-05-2022, 06:45 PM)Duchess Wrote:

I dont know who those two people are rothschild.  I know your always looking for a fight as entertainment, and you cheat.  I like a good spat, ind in that vein, id like to suggest that you have a mouth and the opinions of a ducks ass. 

If i were to walk along the river cam and see duck shit, i will think that it hasnt been long since you were there.

I hope obama tweeks your goolies.   America is a dog hole, you have no class, just look at Markle.  No manners either.  When was the last time you had afternoon tea and cucumber sandwiches.  Or a scone? 

You are a disgrace.   If aliens were to land they would land in England.

You are a faux diamond in a pig's arsehole. Bright and shiny, but upon closer inspection, dull and uninspiring. Please try harder.