(12-27-2009, 10:09 PM)Julie Wrote:

(12-27-2009, 09:42 PM)SyberBitch Wrote: I think it's an ugly word no matter who uses it or what color they are, or whether they say 'nigger' or 'niggah'. I jumped all over a group of 'black' (in quotes because race is an illusion) kids who were using that word on each other around my little boy. They were a bit stunned.

I hate the bullshit excuse of 'a nigger can be anyone of any color', because I just see that as a lame excuse to keep using an ugly, hurtful word when there is no call to do so. Yes, I am educated enough to know the origins of the word and what it means in the dictionary, but I don't think that's an excuse either.

Is this the preachy white woman paragraph?

Ignored.

First of all, I'm not 'white'. My heritage is just as mixed up, fucked up and stirred up as yours or anyone else's and I have no doubt that I've been the subject of just as much, if not more prejudices in my life as you have.

Second, are you saying you disagree with what I said?

Julie Wrote:

Quote:In Duchess' case, I'm pretty sure she was just angry and trying to take a stab in a sore spot and going for shock value.

Yeah I know & stated it already. I said that her issues with me were only a result of my issues with LP...A very sad reason to call up the N word dontchaknow.

But - like you said -it was certaily no call to use the ugly hateful word. I mean if actual Black people after hundreds of years of slavery & suffering in an ill-conceived attempt to own and change that ugly word have no excuse for using it...do Douche or LP? I'll refer you to your preachy paragraph above.

Um... no... that was kind of my point.

Julie Wrote:

Quote:Yes, I was a little surprised, because Duch usually isn't that crass in her mocking. I'm pretty certain she isn't racist though. Maybe in a deep sort of way that she never really thinks about, like "I wouldn't date a black man", but I seriously doubt she is the type to be overtly racist.

Disposable Douche is VERY crass, as all the members here are. That's the point of Mock, no?

No, it's not the point of Mock and no, she usually isn't crass. This isn't about how much I like or dislike you, or Duch, or Lumpy... this is about being accurate. You will find, if you hang around here, that that is MY 'MO'.

Julie Wrote:Wait - was this some sort of "lame excuse" as to why LP chose to use "an ugly, hurtful word when there is no call to do so." ?

I believe you mean Duch, not Lumpy and no, it was not. I explained how I feel about using that word. One of the few exceptions to my (personal) rule about that word, is when it's used by Carlos Mencia, because he makes fun of EVERY-frigging-body.

I don't think it's 'ok' that Duch used that word, but from your post, it seemed that you were getting the impression that she is some big racist simply because she used it, and as far as I know, she isn't. That is the only point I was trying to make.

Are you overly sensitive to that word? Because if you are, people will hammer on it just to bug you. The nature of this forum allows people to make fun of other people for... pretty much anything they want to. You can't take it seriously or you will allow people to hurt you.

Julie Wrote:Anyway, I don't recall anyone asking if LP is a racist, but feel free to continue the rambling.

Does it only become rambling when you disagree with what someone has said? My posts CAN be long, but that one was fairly short, so where's the rambling?

Julie Wrote:I love when one Keebler fucks up and it sends another Keebler scrambling to make excuses for the first Keeebler's behavior.

Yeaaahhh... ok... no one sent me to do anything. Do you honestly think that is a game I would play? Well, of course you don't know me, but I'm surprised you would think that.

Julie Wrote:FYI... LP and Disposable Douche will simultaneously be seen in a negative light because LP is a whiny ass liar

Frank says that all the time, but I've never seen where Lumpy has lied about anything. She's into shit stirring and drama, but so are most of the people here, so it's not really surprising. I don't know why Frank says she lies. Maybe she does and I've just never seen it.

Julie Wrote:and Douche dropped the N-Bomb over some bullshit AFTER braying about how someone else dropping the N-Bomb was oh. so. very. wrong.

It was wrong, but you seem more angry over it than is really appropriate given the situation.

Julie Wrote:You are now in danger of being seen as the N-Bomb Dropper Apologist.

Well, see me as you want, I know what's true.

There, now THAT was rambling.

I am not angry. This is cyberspace.

Questions:
x How does one become "overlysensitive" about the N-Bomb?
x What's the APPROPRIATE level of anger or hurt that an average Black person should feel about this?

I would love to hear your insights on this topic.

LP,


You fucking liar.




Are you overly sensitive to that word? Because if you are, people will hammer on it just to bug you. The nature of this forum allows people to make fun of other people for... pretty much anything they want to. You can't take it seriously or you will allow people to hurt you.







This advice was a c&p from one of your grunts....I just replaced one word so you could use it.

(12-27-2009, 10:23 PM)The Antagonist Wrote: Duchess apologized openly for saying it.
She said she regretted it.
Let it go. You're making race an issue among people who don't care what color anyone's skin is.

I did not see any aology. I saw her "regret" saying it.

(12-28-2009, 12:58 AM)Julie Wrote: I am not angry. This is cyberspace.

Questions:
x How does one become "overlysensitive" about the N-Bomb?
x What's the APPROPRIATE level of anger or hurt that an average Black person should feel about this?

I would love to hear your insights on this topic.

Ok, since you asked...

Quote:x How does one become "overlysensitive" about the N-Bomb?

Well, I specified that 'given the situation', your level of anger seemed out of proportion with what was said. The 'situation' being, a mock forum where such things should be expected once in a while as an easy target for mocking and possibly hurting a person's feelings.

However, you said you're not angry about it.

Quote:x What's the APPROPRIATE level of anger or hurt that an average Black person should feel about this?

Honestly? The healthiest, most appropriate level of anger or hurt about it, would be 'Meh, fuck you. What, I'm supposed be 'ashamed' because my skin is darker than yours? Because my heritage more recently goes back to a primarily dark-skinned continent than yours does? Get over it because I did a long time ago. I'm not ashamed of who I am'.

Now, even in light of that, I plan to teach my son that the 'n-word' is one that he is to never use against someone (regardless of their heritage), because it's a hate word and can cause people more pain than most other 'curse' words, but the expression of bigotry itself would be considerably decreased if the person the bigotry was aimed at, did not let it affect them. Obviously, that does not hold true for more concrete forms of bigotry and racism, such as refusing to hire a person because of (race/sex/religion/etc) or beating a person or whatever.

No. I am not angry. In fact, I doubt that anyone in this forum can accomplish that. We're just talking.

That's a nice sentiment. I wonder why so many Black people are unable to simply employ that line of thnking & simply "get over it".

(12-28-2009, 01:30 AM)Julie Wrote: No. I am not angry. In fact, I doubt that anyone in this forum can accomplish that. We're just talking.

That's a nice sentiment. I wonder why so many Black people are unable to simply employ that line of thnking & simply "get over it".

My opinion would be that people are people and, as such, most people (regardless of outward appearance) simply don't have the insight to understand how to create a more healthy attitude within themselves. It can't be helped. That is why, in addition to my observations on how people 'should' react to racial slurs, I plan to teach my son not to use them and I don't use them myself (aside from the rare jab in Mock just for the sake of being an asshole TO someone who is being an asshole).

I've given my opinions, how about yours?

And although it's fun to have someone else who is up late on Mock (I guess most Mockers are East-coast), I have to get to bed.

I am astounded that you would have the nerve to tell folks how they should react to racial slurs. Seems very arrogant to me.


Teaching your kid not to partake in using racial slurs - a good move.

(12-27-2009, 10:38 PM)Julie Wrote: And you're damned right that stupid cunt apologized for it.

Au Contraire...I DID NOT apologize to you for using it...I simply stated that I regretted using it, what I neglected to add at the time was that my regret stemmed from having people I like & respect see me use it...After reading what transpired after I left yesterday I'm left feeling like maybe I could fill page after fucking page with that dreadful word just 'cuz I can...You act like one, Julie...A typical one...I didn't just throw that word out there because I could...I was calling a spade, a spade...Whoops, there I go again...

(12-28-2009, 12:39 AM)SyberBitch Wrote: Frank says that all the time, but I've never seen where Lumpy has lied about anything. She's into shit stirring and drama, but so are most of the people here, so it's not really surprising. I don't know why Frank says she lies. Maybe she does and I've just never seen it.

Thank you for that glowing reference.

Kind of funny how Julie continues to attribute posts to the wrong people, mostly me, so she can fling insults around yet Frank is strangely silent about HER being a liar.

And since we were talking about Aesop's Fables yesterday, here's a little story that reminds me of our darling Julie:

Quote:The Scorpion and the Frog

A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion
says, "Because if I do, I will die too."

The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"

Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."

I've got this song stuck in my head. Scary hair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muMcWMKPEWQ

(12-28-2009, 06:03 AM)LuMPyPussy Wrote:

(12-28-2009, 12:39 AM)SyberBitch Wrote: Frank says that all the time, but I've never seen where Lumpy has lied about anything. She's into shit stirring and drama, but so are most of the people here, so it's not really surprising. I don't know why Frank says she lies. Maybe she does and I've just never seen it.

Thank you for that glowing reference.

Kind of funny how Julie continues to attribute posts to the wrong people, mostly me, so she can fling insults around yet Frank is strangely silent about HER being a liar.

And since we were talking about Aesop's Fables yesterday, here's a little story that reminds me of our darling Julie:

Quote:The Scorpion and the Frog

A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion
says, "Because if I do, I will die too."

The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"

Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."

You know, another member who I keep in touch with off the site used this same fable to describe Sinister.

I guess there's no shortage of back stabbing bitches around. We've been pretty fortunate here except for these two examples.

Well they are similar. Very similar.

I can't wait for the better drug induce posts to start happening.

Racist, pill popping, liar ...... Julie/Sinister? both?

I think it's very cute how Julie latched onto Frank's incessant and redundant crap about you and thinks she's being original too.

(12-28-2009, 09:06 AM)LuMPyPussy Wrote: back stabbing bitches

People who do that are no better than a liar & I would hold them in the same low regard...If you don't have trust in a relationaship, you have NOTHING.

Lumpy posted a thread once asking if people thought she was a liar. I responded in her thread utilizing my multi-forum, multi-year exposure to her and expressed that I thought she has dished out a lot of dishonest material. I still stand by my assessment. I don't give a fuck if no one else on Earth sees it, knows what I am talking about, or agrees. I know what my dealings and observations have been. I don't trust someone who exposes PM content like she has in the past, someone who has lacked intellectual honesty at times by twisting my words (not on this site - this site doesn't count to me like it does to some of the drama bitches around here), and other miscellaneous items.

She comes off like she is such an honest person and that was my reaction - that is why I call that drama-stirring whacko bitch a liar. Don't like it? Too fucking bad.

SyberB,

looks like you backed the wrong horse, and your well intended explanations & moral platitudes were all for naught.

Turns out Douche is not sorry for using the word NIGGER. She simply regrets that her pals - the NON NIGGERS - had to see it, and she believes that what transpired between me & LP and between me & her was actually an acceptable justification for the use of the word NIGGER.

By the looks of things, what transpired between LP & Frank was far deeper and far more injurious than what transpired between me & Douche / LP; yet, Douche did not NIGGER Frank up....so we can conclude with reasonable certainty that this word was used because I'm Black....not because, as you discussed, the word NIGGER can be applied to ill bahaved people of every hue.

Here endeth round 1 of Racist Bingo.

Use of the word nigger is NEVER justified.

Anyone that says I called you a nigger but not because of the colour of your skin is a fucking liar.

(12-28-2009, 10:45 AM)Middle Finger Wrote: Lumpy posted a thread once asking if people thought she was a liar. I responded in her thread utilizing my multi-forum, multi-year exposure to her and expressed that I thought she has dished out a lot of dishonest material. I still stand by my assessment. I don't give a fuck if no one else on Earth sees it, knows what I am talking about, or agrees. I know what my dealings and observations have been. I don't trust someone who exposes PM content like she has in the past, someone who has lacked intellectual honesty at times by twisting my words (not on this site - this site doesn't count to me like it does to some of the drama bitches around here), and other miscellaneous items.

She comes off like she is such an honest person and that was my reaction - that is why I call that drama-stirring whacko bitch a liar. Don't like it? Too fucking bad.

Question for Frank:

You have called LP a whiney victim lying bitch....along with a huge assortment of other insults.

Do you have any idea why her Defense System, Douche 2000, has not called you a NIGGER or a SPADE yet?

I call Frank a guinea sometimes, not because I have anything against Italians, I just hate him and its just another stick to beat him over the head with.