I may start praying for Clang, not really sure right now though.

Globohomo has already replaced Team America, so Dooch and Clangy can have an extra special 4^th of July -- pappy not so much.

(07-04-2022, 08:05 PM)rothschild Wrote: Globohomo has already replaced Team America, so Dooch and Clangy can have an extra special 4^th of July -- pappy not so much.

Pappy will have a happy 4^th of July when America reverts back to 1776.

So today the Supreme Court is supposed to rule on whether trump has complete immunity from prosecution for crimes committed while in office. I'm very concerned about this. We have always been a nation of laws, no man is supposed to be above the law, we don't have Kings here.

(07-01-2024, 09:55 AM)Duchess Wrote: So today the Supreme Court is supposed to rule on whether trump has complete immunity from prosecution for crimes committed while in office. I'm very concerned about this. We have always been a nation of laws, no man is supposed to be above the law, we don't have Kings here.

It is because you do not fully understand the law's principles. Your hatred of the Cheeto-in-chief won't allow you to access your higher plane of cognitive reasoning.

Congress needs to wake the fuck up  and stop making unclear laws, now that chevron has been overturned.   

And what the fuck is up with making it illegal to be homeless (not the exact wording of their decision,  but close enough)  aren't our jails over crowded enough,  without tossing people in there whose only crime is sleeping on a park bench?  

Jesus take the wheel

(07-01-2024, 11:53 AM)cannongal Wrote: Congress needs to wake the fuck up  and stop making unclear laws, now that chevron has been overturned.   

And what the fuck is up with making it illegal to be homeless (not the exact wording of their decision,  but close enough)  aren't our jails over crowded enough,  without tossing people in there whose only crime is sleeping on a park bench?  

Jesus take the wheel

The system is broken; they broke it on purpose to gain power. The framers understood human nature (and its insatiable thirst for power) and provided a solution.

The "law" is a complex subject with many moving parts.

In DC, we face a professional class of politicians; this was never the intent. Those "professionals" have abdicated their responsibility to create laws and delegated that task to the regulatory agencies. These regulatory agencies create laws that have been given the force of law by judicial fiat.

First, we must understand how our laws are created:
There are five sources:

• Constitutional (Federal or State): a charter on how a government is organized and operates, what it is permitted to do, and what is expressly forbidden.
  
• Statutory: written laws enacted by the legislature are sometimes called ordinances; these are declaratory statements that forbid certain acts, direct other acts, or establish governmental mechanisms to aid the general welfare.
  
• Regulatory: Rules made by various government agencies form the basis of how citizens and businesses conduct their daily routines.
  
• Case Law: rules created from court decisions; these interpret the meaning of the various statutory and regulatory laws and how authorities are to enforce them.
  
• Common Practice refers to rules that evolve based on mutual acceptance by the citizens; many statutory and regulatory laws originated from citizens' common practice.
  

In Federalist #45, James Madison made clear the authority the federal government would have:


"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."

In Article 1 Section VIII, the Constitution lists the “few and defined” enumerated powers assigned to the Federal Government. There are 18 in total:

1. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
   
2. To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
   
3. To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
   
4. To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
   
5. To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
   
6. To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
   
7. To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
   
8. To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
   
9. To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
   
10. To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
    
11. To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
    
12. To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
    
13. To provide and maintain a Navy;
    
14. To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
    
15. To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    
16. To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
    
17. To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
    
18. To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
    

All else the federal government regulates, imposes, administers, or levies comes from three sources.

1. Implied Power -  power not stated in the Constitution but inferred by the agency assigned the enumerated power.
   
2. Inherent Power -  a power not stated in the Constitution but stems from the agency’s interpretation of the enumerated power. 
   
3. Case Law - a precedent set by courts that interprets the meaning of the enumerated power and how authorities are to enforce it.
   

"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it" 
-British Prime Minister William Pitt, speech to the House of Lords, 1770. 

In Chevron v. Natural Resources Defense Council, the court decided that the regulatory agencies were the experts on the subject; this ruling helped unleash the burdensome regulations we face today.
The court has taken a small step in restoring limited government by overturning this precedent.

 The power has been taken from the experts and given to those who don't know anything about it. Do I understand that correctly? If not, elaborate a bit. Thanks.

(07-01-2024, 01:25 PM)Duchess Wrote:  The power has been taken from the experts and given to those who don't know anything about it. Do I understand that correctly? If not, elaborate a bit. Thanks.

Lizzy, that comment proves my point - you have no clue how our system of government was designed to work. You have swallowed the DC bullshit hook, line, and sinker.

The "power" you refer to is YOURS!

The government has no right or authority (other than those 18 things listed) to regulate your decisions in any way. 

Who knows what is best for your horses? ... managing your land? ... deciding what buildings you need? and deciding where you need those buildings.

YOU DO!

Why does the government tell you what you can and cannot do on your property?

Unconstitutional regulation.

You're the expert; OSHA, EPA, HHS, LABOR, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, etc... are filled with folks justifying their existence or exercising power to enforce an agenda.

Don't you think it is time to exercise your God-given inalienable rights and tell them to kiss your ass?

(07-01-2024, 02:19 PM)pyropappy Wrote:

(07-01-2024, 01:25 PM)Duchess Wrote:  The power has been taken from the experts and given to those who don't know anything about it. Do I understand that correctly? If not, elaborate a bit. Thanks.

Lizzy, that comment proves my point - you have no clue how our system of government was designed to work. You have swallowed the DC bullshit hook, line, and sinker.

The "power" you refer to is YOURS!

The government has no right or authority (other than those 18 things listed) to regulate your decisions in any way. 

Who knows what is best for your horses? ... managing your land? ... deciding what buildings you need? and deciding where you need those buildings.

YOU DO!

Why does the government tell you what you can and cannot do on your property?

Unconstitutional regulation.

You're the expert; OSHA, EPA, HHS, LABOR, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, etc... are filled with folks justifying their existence or exercising power to enforce an agenda.

Don't you think it is time to exercise your God-given inalienable rights and tell them to kiss your ass?

Peepee,  I say this in the nicest way possible,  but you're a fucking idiot. 

I am not an expert in water filtration,  therefore I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I to make sure I have clean,  safe, drinking water.   
I am not an expert on paint, chemicals,  or other hazardous materials,  therefore I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I,  to tell me how to dispose of them properly. 
I am not an expert on the ethical treatment of animals,  food processing plants,  food preservation,  or hygiene products,  therefore I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I,  in order to eat and bathe safely.  

The reversal of Chevron took away took away my access to knowledgeable people.   Your sky daddy is not going to save me from major companies who want to cut corners and remove safety measures. 

I agree that the government is corrupt,  but I don't agree with the supreme court decision to allow some low on the totem pole judge to make a decision about my safety based upon whatever backhand deal made with them.

You can go fuck yourself,  you can put whatever you want in your body,  you can destroy your own land with chemicals,  but you have no right to tell anyone else that they should ignore regulations that have been proven over time.   

I see you as that crochety old man who sits on his porch and yells  'get off my lawn'  ffs get a life, get a clue, and stop living in the 19^th century! 

(07-02-2024, 08:48 AM)cannongal Wrote: Peepee,  I say this in the nicest way possible,  but you're a fucking idiot. 

I am not an expert in water filtration,  therefore I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I to make sure I have clean,  safe, drinking water.   
I am not an expert on paint, chemicals,  or other hazardous materials,  therefore I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I,  to tell me how to dispose of them properly. 
I am not an expert on the ethical treatment of animals,  food processing plants,  food preservation,  or hygiene products,  therefore I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I,  in order to eat and bathe safely.  

The reversal of Chevron took away took away my access to knowledgeable people.   Your sky daddy is not going to save me from major companies who want to cut corners and remove safety measures. 

I agree that the government is corrupt,  but I don't agree with the supreme court decision to allow some low on the totem pole judge to make a decision about my safety based upon whatever backhand deal made with them.

You can go fuck yourself,  you can put whatever you want in your body,  you can destroy your own land with chemicals,  but you have no right to tell anyone else that they should ignore regulations that have been proven over time.   

I see you as that crochety old man who sits on his porch and yells  'get off my lawn'  ffs get a life, get a clue, and stop living in the 19^th century! 

Let me reply in kind, you stupid fucking cunt; you may choose to be a slave to the government, but I, for one, will never submit to big government.

This country is 35 trillion dollars in debt because said government is doing their bidding, not yours.

If you remain ignorant, you only condemn your children and grandchildren to their shackles.

If you wish to be a slave, by all means, move to Saudia Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, or Afghanistan; there, you learn very quickly you are nothing but property. I hope you enjoy your servitude, you booger-eating harridan.

I, on the other hand, will remain self-governing and educate the 85% of Americans who believe government is too big about the solution to restore limited government.

(07-02-2024, 10:22 AM)pyropappy Wrote:

(07-02-2024, 08:48 AM)cannongal Wrote: Peepee,  I say this in the nicest way possible,  but you're a fucking idiot. 

I am not an expert in water filtration,  therefore I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I to make sure I have clean,  safe, drinking water.   
I am not an expert on paint, chemicals,  or other hazardous materials,  therefore I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I,  to tell me how to dispose of them properly. 
I am not an expert on the ethical treatment of animals,  food processing plants,  food preservation,  or hygiene products,  therefore I rely on people who are more knowledgeable than I,  in order to eat and bathe safely.  

The reversal of Chevron took away took away my access to knowledgeable people.   Your sky daddy is not going to save me from major companies who want to cut corners and remove safety measures. 

I agree that the government is corrupt,  but I don't agree with the supreme court decision to allow some low on the totem pole judge to make a decision about my safety based upon whatever backhand deal made with them.

You can go fuck yourself,  you can put whatever you want in your body,  you can destroy your own land with chemicals,  but you have no right to tell anyone else that they should ignore regulations that have been proven over time.   

I see you as that crochety old man who sits on his porch and yells  'get off my lawn'  ffs get a life, get a clue, and stop living in the 19^th century! 

Let me reply in kind, you stupid fucking cunt; you may choose to be a slave to the government, but I, for one, will never submit to big government.

This country is 35 trillion dollars in debt because said government is doing their bidding, not yours.

If you remain ignorant, you only condemn your children and grandchildren to their shackles.

If you wish to be a slave, by all means, move to Saudia Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, or Afghanistan; there, you learn very quickly you are nothing but property. I hope you enjoy your servitude, you booger-eating harridan.

I, on the other hand, will remain self-governing and educate the 85% of Americans who believe government is too big about the solution to restore limited government.

Da fuck are you even bitching about?  What does the country being 35 trillion in debt have to do with you or me???  

Are you going to pay it off? I  certainly ain't.     Jesus fucking christ,  you are the epitome of fucktard.  You are no better than Biden in thinking that your dementia addled rambling will change someone's mind! 

Holy fucking sheep shit!!!!!

You totally ignored the other 2 rulings from scotus recently. 


By the way,  what's your stance about the overturned  RvW decision?  Do you think women shouldn't have a voice?

CG seems to think that "experts" are immune to corruption, says Pappy is a fucking idiot. Priceless.

(07-02-2024, 10:46 AM)cannongal Wrote: Da fuck are you even bitching about?  What does the country being 35 trillion in debt have to do with you or me???  

Are you going to pay it off? I  certainly ain't.     Jesus fucking christ,  you are the epitome of fucktard.  You are no better than Biden in thinking that your dementia addled rambling will change someone's mind! 

Holy fucking sheep shit!!!!!

You totally ignored the other 2 rulings from scotus recently. 


By the way,  what's your stance about the overturned  RvW decision?  Do you think women shouldn't have a voice?

When the yuan replaces the dollar as the world's reserve currency, you will understand what it has to do with you.

You didn't ask about the other rulings; look them up and read the decisions and dissents. You might understand the process better and realize your responsibility to hold the government accountable—a duty we all share equally.

I posted extensively about Hobbs at the time here; I will add now - I was right! Everything I said then happened just as I said it would. Roe was bad law; the federal right to abortion doesn't exist. It is up to the states to decide, and they are. 

You clueless bimbo, read a book if you are able; quit listening to the LSM, who have been bought by big government to spew their propaganda. At this point, you wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you in the face like the cocks you suck.

You're like a dog who has never been socialized.

(07-05-2024, 06:00 AM)Duchess Wrote: You're like a dog who has never been socialized.

Lizzy, I ran several successful businesses, retired at 53, and have years of management and team-building education. 

But now, this country is on a precipice. If we do not turn around and go back, we will fall into the abyss (that means another civil war). History teaches that the last Civil War was the deadliest and bloodiest war this country has been involved in; the next one is going to make the last look like a Girl Scout picnic. During the Vietnam War, we had around 55,000 deaths over 15 years; at Gettysburg, there were 50,000 in three days. This country is so fractured that the deaths from just starvation have been estimated by the Pentagon to reach 30 to 50 million in the cities when the infrastructure breaks down.

Ronnie Raygun said, "The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

If you read and educate yourself, you will learn that everything we are experiencing today was planned by two socialist professors at Columbia in the 1960s. Cloward and Piven's plan was to overwhelm the system so it would collapse under the weight. That is precisely where we are today.

I am not trying to be social; I am trying to warn you of what is coming. 

Communism is perfect, so it will never work—people aren't. Our framers didn't form the perfect government; they formed the perfect government for imperfect people. The elites in DC have been dismantling it brick by brick for the past 100 years.

Reviewing my posts, you will find that, like the Hobbs decision, I have been spot-on in my warnings. 

This warning is dire: the only peaceful solution to re-insert the government in its limited box is an Article V convention of states. James Madison, in the early 1830s (who was 80 years old at the time), tried to call an Article V convention to solve the slavery issue; he failed. The civil war devastated families, the economy, and morale, some of the effects of which are still felt today.

The next one will be felt a lot less; 100+ million will die. The vast majority will be liberals; this country will survive and get back to limited government because the opposition will be dead. Good riddance, you liberals are just "useful idiots" the elite will sacrifice as cannon fodder. I suggest you educate yourselves about the 'Night of the Long Knives" because history repeats itself, and that is your future. And MOCK will undoubtedly die as well.

I changed my avatar as a warning to the liberals here: I am done being nice; I have a country to save.

America lacks the civility to have a civil war.

He's making a good point then ruins it .

Yet again, this place doesn't surprise me.

This place is the problem!!

You have accepted the premise the elites have been using to destroy this country. They divide us by political party, gender, age, and belief. I understood and rejected that premise in 1982. Not once have you heard me support either party; my beliefs are simple and based on our true history, not the rewritten history the progressives have created.

They want you to deny our history so they can control you.

Many here deny God; you have bought into that false narrative. This country was founded on faith and morality, NOT religion. Religion is manmade; morality is universal. A "Supreme Being" is a concept in all religions; faith means you don't need physical proof. Even Atheism and Communism have a Supreme Being: Big Government.

The statement that God is good is the perfect example; it implies universal morality outside religion. The framers referred to Nature's God by design. They want us to be moral, not religious.

'Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.' John Adams

By dividing us, the elites keep us distracted from their real purpose - keeping that usurped power they have concentrated in DC to control us. Dividing us has allowed them to destroy our heritage - we are a just and moral people.

If you don't think this bullshit they peddle is based on their desire to control, then you are indeed a fool and deserve your fate. The Supreme Being is NEVER WRONG! Denying what he created (Clang) only means you choose evil. Again, the coming civil war will be between Good and Evil! 

Choose wisely.

Don't get me wrong; you are free to believe whatever you wish, but don't be fooled; buying into the false premise is only dooming you to the fate of every useful idiot has earned: death by the hand that they created.

The solution is simple: unite as Americans and take our power back. That will only happen when you stop buying the propaganda and educate yourself!

Every day is September 11^th; we'd better turn that page and get to September 12^th ASAP!