(11-06-2024, 02:51 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-06-2024, 02:27 PM)Duchess Wrote: Eight years ago Crash came into Mock and asked "America, what have you done?". That's how I feel today.

I think there are millions of people who haven't the imagination to consider what the future holds under trump.

It's a shame that the Biden admin chose not to address the needs of ordinary American citizens. If they had, Trump wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell.

This is exactly right.
I agree with RC
Who would have thought that?
But its true. I've taken some time to reflect this week on what the fuck happened.

This and that the election was probably rigged from Russia and Elon Musk.

(11-06-2024, 07:15 PM)Duchess Wrote: RFK Jr. told a reporter that he intends to clear out entire departments of the FDA. The FDA's job is to protect public health

The fact that clown will be in charge of public health is horrifying.

All governement regulations are dumb, they just hinder progress. No one needs rules. People can do what they want.


(That is pretty much what I heard today)

Less government! MOre People! 

(Whatever that means)

(11-09-2024, 12:10 AM)MirahM Wrote:

(11-06-2024, 07:15 PM)Duchess Wrote: RFK Jr. told a reporter that he intends to clear out entire departments of the FDA. The FDA's job is to protect public health

The fact that clown will be in charge of public health is horrifying.

All governement regulations are dumb, they just hinder progress. No one needs rules. People can do what they want.


(That is pretty much what I heard today)

Less government! MOre People! 

(Whatever that means)

TOTAL ANARCHY! FUCK YEAH!

Those who think it's okay deserve what they get. 

(11-09-2024, 07:58 AM)Duchess Wrote: Those who think it's okay deserve what they get. 

And those that don't think it's OK, will get it, too.

"You can't always get what you want . . . "

"COULD"  . . . not  "WILL".

I'd feel the same if they tried regulating CNN, PMSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX and the View.

It was reported at the time that trump had called Nikki a cunt during the GOP primary.  

(11-09-2024, 12:04 AM)MirahM Wrote:

(11-06-2024, 02:51 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-06-2024, 02:27 PM)Duchess Wrote: Eight years ago Crash came into Mock and asked "America, what have you done?". That's how I feel today.

I think there are millions of people who haven't the imagination to consider what the future holds under trump.

It's a shame that the Biden admin chose not to address the needs of ordinary American citizens. If they had, Trump wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell.

This is exactly right.
I agree with RC
Who would have thought that?
But its true. I've taken some time to reflect this week on what the fuck happened.

This and that the election was probably rigged from Russia and Elon Musk.

The Biden administration took over as Covid was still a crisis and vaccine roll outs and shit were sort of top priority (and ending and reinstating and ending shut downs—whether u agreed with them or not—were just beginning). The country was a hot fucking mess and god knows how many businesses went under and people were out of work because of Covid. So…blah, blah happened and then China got hit and the supply chain fell apart and prices started rising and blah, blah more happened. The bipartisan infrastructure bill got passed somewhere in there. Anyway, I’m not an economist (my husband is tho but fuck if I want to hear him ramble about this shit for 30+ minutes) but we (as in the US) seemed to fair far better post Covid than many other countries. I don’t think Biden ignored the working/middle class I think he (and the Federal Reserve) did a decent job given the circumstances. I think he didn’t do enough about the border surge but I remember too when some companies were scrambling to fill jobs when the economy reopened and couldn’t find workers. 
Harris had a plan ($6,000 tax credit, assistance for first time homebuyers, attacking price gouging blah, blah). Whether or not that would have been effective? IDK. Trump’s tariff plan and tax cuts IF he goes through with them aren’t sitting well with a lot of market and economic analysts. I guess we’ll see blah, blah….

I was taking the comment to mean during the campaign, not necessarily after covid. You make great point, thx for the reminder.

(11-09-2024, 08:10 PM)MirahM Wrote: I was taking the comment to mean during the campaign, not necessarily after covid. You make great point, thx for the reminder.

No problem. RC will be on soon to point out how fucked up everything is and remind us that nobody has any good ideas (except him maybe although he seemingly wants to keep those a secret cuz he’s very short on the solution side).

Yes and both sides are fucked up, but you should research some guy from the 1800's and blah blah blah

(11-09-2024, 08:02 PM)username Wrote:

(11-09-2024, 12:04 AM)MirahM Wrote:

(11-06-2024, 02:51 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-06-2024, 02:27 PM)Duchess Wrote: Eight years ago Crash came into Mock and asked "America, what have you done?". That's how I feel today.

I think there are millions of people who haven't the imagination to consider what the future holds under trump.

It's a shame that the Biden admin chose not to address the needs of ordinary American citizens. If they had, Trump wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell.

This is exactly right.
I agree with RC
Who would have thought that?
But its true. I've taken some time to reflect this week on what the fuck happened.

This and that the election was probably rigged from Russia and Elon Musk.

The Biden administration took over as Covid was still a crisis and vaccine roll outs and shit were sort of top priority (and ending and reinstating and ending shut downs—whether u agreed with them or not—were just beginning). The country was a hot fucking mess and god knows how many businesses went under and people were out of work because of Covid. So…blah, blah happened and then China got hit and the supply chain fell apart and prices started rising and blah, blah more happened. The bipartisan infrastructure bill got passed somewhere in there. Anyway, I’m not an economist (my husband is tho but fuck if I want to hear him ramble about this shit for 30+ minutes) but we (as in the US) seemed to fair far better post Covid than many other countries. I don’t think Biden ignored the working/middle class I think he (and the Federal Reserve) did a decent job given the circumstances. I think he didn’t do enough about the border surge but I remember too when some companies were scrambling to fill jobs when the economy reopened and couldn’t find workers. 
Harris had a plan ($6,000 tax credit, assistance for first time homebuyers, attacking price gouging blah, blah). Whether or not that would have been effective? IDK. Trump’s tariff plan and tax cuts IF he goes through with them aren’t sitting well with a lot of market and economic analysts. I guess we’ll see blah, blah….

I'll make a comprehensive list of all the things I would have done differently during Biden's term, and how much of a difference I think it would have made re the quality of life for ordinary people.

BTW, you seem to be very comfortable with a bar that's low enough that a cockroach would have a hard time walking under it. Why is that?

Well I can't wait for this list.

Ever since trump won the election Russia state TV has been airing melania trump's nude pix. trump won't make a peep about it.  

(11-10-2024, 01:37 AM)MirahM Wrote: Yes and both sides are fucked up, but you should research some guy from the 1800's and blah blah blah

(11-10-2024, 03:35 AM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-09-2024, 08:02 PM)username Wrote:

(11-09-2024, 12:04 AM)MirahM Wrote:

(11-06-2024, 02:51 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-06-2024, 02:27 PM)Duchess Wrote: Eight years ago Crash came into Mock and asked "America, what have you done?". That's how I feel today.

I think there are millions of people who haven't the imagination to consider what the future holds under trump.

It's a shame that the Biden admin chose not to address the needs of ordinary American citizens. If they had, Trump wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell.

This is exactly right.
I agree with RC
Who would have thought that?
But its true. I've taken some time to reflect this week on what the fuck happened.

This and that the election was probably rigged from Russia and Elon Musk.

The Biden administration took over as Covid was still a crisis and vaccine roll outs and shit were sort of top priority (and ending and reinstating and ending shut downs—whether u agreed with them or not—were just beginning). The country was a hot fucking mess and god knows how many businesses went under and people were out of work because of Covid. So…blah, blah happened and then China got hit and the supply chain fell apart and prices started rising and blah, blah more happened. The bipartisan infrastructure bill got passed somewhere in there. Anyway, I’m not an economist (my husband is tho but fuck if I want to hear him ramble about this shit for 30+ minutes) but we (as in the US) seemed to fair far better post Covid than many other countries. I don’t think Biden ignored the working/middle class I think he (and the Federal Reserve) did a decent job given the circumstances. I think he didn’t do enough about the border surge but I remember too when some companies were scrambling to fill jobs when the economy reopened and couldn’t find workers. 
Harris had a plan ($6,000 tax credit, assistance for first time homebuyers, attacking price gouging blah, blah). Whether or not that would have been effective? IDK. Trump’s tariff plan and tax cuts IF he goes through with them aren’t sitting well with a lot of market and economic analysts. I guess we’ll see blah, blah….

I'll make a comprehensive list of all the things I would have done differently during Biden's term, and how much of a difference I think it would have made re the quality of life for ordinary people.

BTW, you seem to be very comfortable with a bar that's low enough that a cockroach would have a hard time walking under it. Why is that?

Please don’t!!! 

I’ve never said any president or party is perfect (far from it—I think both parties are horribly flawed and they’re even more so when you get to the extremes on either side (I consider Trump extreme although he’s becoming the new normal for Republicans sadly and I’d never vote for Bernie or AOC). 

Rather than your critiques, I’d like to hear how you’d raise the bar across party lines (or in spite of them).

Besides which my “bar” is higher than voting for an election denying, insurrection inciting, convicted felon, blatant racist and sexist pig who goes off on crazy tangents, speaks incoherently often, demands loyalty above all else and gives everyone who disagrees with him some childish, insulting nickname because he’s losing his god damn marbles. The roach that got under the bar is/was Trump.

(11-10-2024, 08:20 PM)Duchess Wrote: Ever since trump won the election Russia state TV has been airing melania trump's nude pix. trump won't make a peep about it.  

Wtf

ALT National Parks posted this on thier FB page and I was reminded of all the "Alt" accounts that were created during that time.

People often ask, “What exactly are we resisting?” So, we decided to keep a detailed list. From 2017 to 2021, the Trump administration reversed over 100 environmental regulations, affecting climate policy, air, water, wildlife, and chemical safety. Additionally, more than a dozen other rollbacks were in progress but not finalized by the end of the term, prompting questions about the potential impact of another four years. You might wonder what another four years could look like. Here's a summary of Trumps last four years in office:
- Weakened fuel economy and greenhouse gas standards.
- Revoked California's stricter emissions standards.
- Withdrawn legal basis for limiting mercury from coal plants.
- Exited the Paris climate agreement.
- Altered Clean Air Act cost-benefit analysis methods.
- Canceled methane emissions reporting for oil and gas companies.
- Revised rules on methane emissions from drilling on public lands.
- Eliminated methane standards for oil and gas facilities.
- Withdrew rule limiting toxic emissions from industrial polluters.
- Eased pollution safeguards for new power plants.
- Changed refinery pollution monitoring rules.
- Reversed emissions reduction during power plant malfunctions.
- Weakened air pollution rules for national parks and wilderness areas.
- Loosened state air pollution plan oversight.
- Established minimum threshold for regulating greenhouse gases.
- Relaxed pollution regulations for waste coal plants.
- Repealed hydrofluorocarbon leak and venting rules.
- Ended use of social cost of carbon in rulemaking.
- Allowed increased ozone pollution from upwind states.
- Stopped including greenhouse gas emissions in environmental reviews.
- Revoked federal greenhouse gas reduction goal.
- Repealed tailpipe emissions tracking on federal highways.
- Lifted ban on higher ethanol gasoline blends in summer.
- Extended deadlines for methane emissions plans for landfills.
- Withdrew rule reducing pollutants at sewage plants.
- Dropped tighter pollution standards for offshore oil and gas.
- Amended emissions standards for ceramics manufacturers.
- Relaxed leak monitoring at oil and gas facilities.
- Cut two national monuments in Utah.
- Ended freeze on new coal leases on public lands.
- Permitted oil and gas development in Arctic Refuge.
- Opened land for drilling in National Petroleum Reserve, Alaska.
- Lifted ban on logging in Tongass National Forest.
- Approved Dakota Access pipeline near Sioux reservation.
- Rescinded water pollution rules for fracking.
- Withdrawn rig decommissioning cost proof requirement.
- Moved cross-border project permits to presidential office.
- Altered FERC's greenhouse gas considerations in pipelines.
- Revised ocean and coastal water policy.
- Loosened offshore drilling safety regulations post-Deepwater Horizon.
- Weakened National Environmental Policy Act.
- Revoked flood standards for federal projects.
- Eased federal infrastructure project environmental reviews.
- Ended financing for overseas coal plants.
- Revoked directive to minimize natural resource impacts.
- Revoked climate resilience order for Bering Sea.
- Reversed public land-use planning update.
- Withdrawn climate change consideration in national park management.
- Limited environmental study length and page count.
- Dropped Obama-era climate change and conservation policies.
- Eliminated planning system to minimize oil and gas harm on sensitive lands.
- Withdrawn policies for improving resources affected by federal projects.
- Revised Forest Service project review process.
- Ended natural gas project environmental impact reviews.
- Rolled back migratory bird protections.
- Reduced habitat for northern spotted owl.
- Altered Endangered Species Act application.
- Weakened habitat protections under the Endangered Species Act.
- Ended automatic protections for threatened species.
- Reduced environmental protections for California salmon and smelt.
- Removed gray wolf from endangered list.
- Overturned bans on lead ammo and fishing tackle on federal lands.
- Reversed ban on predator hunting in Alaskan refuges.
- Reversed rule against baiting grizzly bears for hunting.
- Amended fishing regulations.
- Removed commercial fishing restrictions in marine preserve.
- Proposed changes to endangered marine mammal injury limits.
- Loosened fishing restrictions for Atlantic Bluefin Tuna.
- Overturned migratory bird handicrafts ban.
- Reduced Clean Water Act protections for tributaries and wetlands.
- Revoked stream debris dumping rule for coal companies.
- Weakened toxic discharge limits for power plants.
- Extended lead pipe removal time in water systems.
- Eased Clean Water Act for federal project permits over state objections.
- Allowed unlined coal ash ponds to continue operating.
- Withdrawn groundwater protections for uranium mines.
- Rejected chlorpyrifos pesticide ban.
- Declined financial responsibility rules for spills and accidents.
- Opted against requiring mining industry pollution cleanup proof.
- Narrowed toxic chemical safety assessment scope.
- Reversed braking system upgrades for hazardous material trains.
- Allowed liquefied natural gas rail transport.
- Rolled back hazardous chemical site safety rules.
- Narrowed pesticide application buffer zones.
- Removed copper filter cake from hazardous waste list.
- Limited use of scientific studies in public health regulations.
- Reduced corporate settlement funding for environmental projects.
- Repealed light bulb energy-efficiency regulation.
- Weakened dishwasher efficiency standards.
- Loosened efficiency standards for showerheads and appliances.
- Altered energy efficiency standard-setting process.
- Blocked efficiency standards for furnaces and water heaters.
- Simplified appliance efficiency test exemption process.
- Limited environmentally focused investments in 401(k) plans.
- Changed policy on using sand from protected ecosystems.
- Halted contributions to the Green Climate Fund.
- Reversed national park plastic bottle sale restrictions.