Exactly and the only time I defend him is when Duchess is on here taking the shit he says out of context. Plus I can't stand the Democratic party in general anymore, they're even worse than the Republicans and that's saying something.

(11-08-2024, 04:01 PM)rothschild Wrote: You support and defend the party that enabled him to win.

Stop equating the two! Please! Several of you have continued to do this and it's just not the case at all.

(11-08-2024, 04:47 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 04:01 PM)rothschild Wrote: You support and defend the party that enabled him to win.

Stop equating the two! Please! Several of you have continued to do this and it's just not the case at all.

The only thing that separates them are the wedge issues.

(11-08-2024, 04:01 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 03:52 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 02:16 PM)sally Wrote:  we're worried about the state of your mental health.

*snort laugh*  I'm not the one who supports & defends trump.

You support and defend the party that enabled him to win.

U really want to pick apart the Democratic Party and say they are/were Trump’s “enablers”? I by NO MEANS think the Democrats are perfect (far from—they’re flawed and they have their own extremists and special interest groups and agendas). But the Republican Party is/was Trump enablers (excluding the many that broke ranks). Everyone from McConnell who called him “personally and morally responsible” for ¹⁄₆ to those like the Georgia governor and Ted Cruz on and on who called him a narcissistic liar and more…and fucking endorsed him anyway. They bowed to the man, not the truth and even completely reversed positions they’d taken against him previously (Vance included). And they weren’t mere “critiques” of minor character flaws. Many of them called him much worse (a liar, unfit and on and on) and yet they came back to him. 

Biden should have stuck to being a transitional president and the Democrats should have then had a normal primary and probably picked a white male to run against Trump. But they didn’t and Harris did the best she could under the circumstances.

(11-08-2024, 05:13 PM)username Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 04:01 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 03:52 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 02:16 PM)sally Wrote:  we're worried about the state of your mental health.

*snort laugh*  I'm not the one who supports & defends trump.

You support and defend the party that enabled him to win.

U really want to pick apart the Democratic Party and say they are/were Trump’s “enablers”? I by NO MEANS think the Democrats are perfect (far from—they’re flawed and they have their own extremists and special interest groups and agendas). But the Republican Party is/was Trump enablers (excluding the many that broke ranks). Everyone from McConnell who called him “personally and morally responsible” for ¹⁄₆ to those like the Georgia governor and Ted Cruz on and on who called him a narcissistic liar and more…and fucking endorsed him anyway. They bowed to the man, not the truth and even completely reversed positions they’d taken against him previously (Vance included). And they weren’t mere “critiques” of minor character flaws. Many of them called him much worse (a liar, unfit and on and on) and yet they came back to him. 

Biden should have stuck to being a transitional president and the Democrats should have then had a normal primary and probably picked a white male to run against Trump. But they didn’t and Harris did the best she could under the circumstances.

It's crazy to blame Republicans for Trump because they're the party that doesn't care at all about the working class. The working class gave the Rust Belt to Trump, not the Republicans. Hillary called them deplorables because they'd had enough of a party that had abandoned them and gave her the middle finger, and she 100% deserved it. Unfortunately, the Democrats didn't send the Clintons packing, and the Party has sunk further and further into the gutter. All it has left is to fling shit at Trump and his supporters while America has become a train wreck, so it lost. And no, a white, beta male would not have done any better than Harris did because it would have been the same ol' shit getting flung.

(11-08-2024, 06:50 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 05:13 PM)username Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 04:01 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 03:52 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 02:16 PM)sally Wrote:  we're worried about the state of your mental health.

*snort laugh*  I'm not the one who supports & defends trump.

You support and defend the party that enabled him to win.

U really want to pick apart the Democratic Party and say they are/were Trump’s “enablers”? I by NO MEANS think the Democrats are perfect (far from—they’re flawed and they have their own extremists and special interest groups and agendas). But the Republican Party is/was Trump enablers (excluding the many that broke ranks). Everyone from McConnell who called him “personally and morally responsible” for ¹⁄₆ to those like the Georgia governor and Ted Cruz on and on who called him a narcissistic liar and more…and fucking endorsed him anyway. They bowed to the man, not the truth and even completely reversed positions they’d taken against him previously (Vance included). And they weren’t mere “critiques” of minor character flaws. Many of them called him much worse (a liar, unfit and on and on) and yet they came back to him. 

Biden should have stuck to being a transitional president and the Democrats should have then had a normal primary and probably picked a white male to run against Trump. But they didn’t and Harris did the best she could under the circumstances.

It's crazy to blame Republicans for Trump because they're the party that doesn't care at all about the working class. The working class gave the Rust Belt to Trump, not the Republicans. Hillary called them deplorables because they'd had enough of a party that had abandoned them and gave her the middle finger, and she 100% deserved it. Unfortunately, the Democrats didn't send the Clintons packing, and the Party has sunk further and further into the gutter. All it has left is to fling shit at Trump and his supporters while America has become a train wreck, so it lost. And no, a white, beta male would not have done any better than Harris did because it would have been the same ol' shit getting flung.

Meh. Clinton called Trump supporters deplorables once and it was stupid on her part but she was watching a guy gaining traction who even early on was pretty deplorable. His Access Hollywood fiasco, his calls to “lock her up” in his campaign, the name calling he engaged in with his primary opponents and others…there was more that I can’t recall now but I definitely thought at the time that there was no way he’d get elected and yet he did. He’s sunk to far more lows since (and been impeached and convicted and didn’t peacefully transfer power) so if words matter, Hillary’s “deplorables” comments should be inconsequential at this point. I think Trump won the poor and middle class on the price of eggs and the wealthy because they’re hoping for tax cuts.

And I SAW people willingly admit on tv that they didn’t think a woman is capable of running the country. If you think that her gender (at minimum—combined with her race) wasn’t a factor you’re a sexist and racist denialist. I don’t know for sure that a white male would have beat Trump but you also can’t prove that her race and sex didn’t contribute to her loss.

I just heard that Pelosi has come out to say that Biden should have dropped out sooner? If so that pisses me off. He should have been the transitional president he said he’d be and not run at all but until the debate, Democrats largely fell behind him. That’s on them. They should have done more to discourage him from running again; blaming him now is low.

(11-08-2024, 08:17 PM)username Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 06:50 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 05:13 PM)username Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 04:01 PM)rothschild Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 03:52 PM)Duchess Wrote: *snort laugh*  I'm not the one who supports & defends trump.

You support and defend the party that enabled him to win.

U really want to pick apart the Democratic Party and say they are/were Trump’s “enablers”? I by NO MEANS think the Democrats are perfect (far from—they’re flawed and they have their own extremists and special interest groups and agendas). But the Republican Party is/was Trump enablers (excluding the many that broke ranks). Everyone from McConnell who called him “personally and morally responsible” for ¹⁄₆ to those like the Georgia governor and Ted Cruz on and on who called him a narcissistic liar and more…and fucking endorsed him anyway. They bowed to the man, not the truth and even completely reversed positions they’d taken against him previously (Vance included). And they weren’t mere “critiques” of minor character flaws. Many of them called him much worse (a liar, unfit and on and on) and yet they came back to him. 

Biden should have stuck to being a transitional president and the Democrats should have then had a normal primary and probably picked a white male to run against Trump. But they didn’t and Harris did the best she could under the circumstances.

It's crazy to blame Republicans for Trump because they're the party that doesn't care at all about the working class. The working class gave the Rust Belt to Trump, not the Republicans. Hillary called them deplorables because they'd had enough of a party that had abandoned them and gave her the middle finger, and she 100% deserved it. Unfortunately, the Democrats didn't send the Clintons packing, and the Party has sunk further and further into the gutter. All it has left is to fling shit at Trump and his supporters while America has become a train wreck, so it lost. And no, a white, beta male would not have done any better than Harris did because it would have been the same ol' shit getting flung.

Meh. Clinton called Trump supporters deplorables once and it was stupid on her part but she was watching a guy gaining traction who even early on was pretty deplorable. His Access Hollywood fiasco, his calls to “lock her up” in his campaign, the name calling he engaged in with his primary opponents and others…there was more that I can’t recall now but I definitely thought at the time that there was no way he’d get elected and yet he did. He’s sunk to far more lows since (and been impeached and convicted and didn’t peacefully transfer power) so if words matter, Hillary’s “deplorables” comments should be inconsequential at this point. I think Trump won the poor and middle class on the price of eggs and the wealthy because they’re hoping for tax cuts.

And I SAW people willingly admit on tv that they didn’t think a woman is capable of running the country. If you think that her gender (at minimum—combined with her race) wasn’t a factor you’re a sexist and racist denialist. I don’t know for sure that a white male would have beat Trump but you also can’t prove that her race and sex didn’t contribute to her loss.

Biden took the poor and middle class for granted just like Clinton took the Rust Belt for granted. His comments leading up to the election were as disgusting as Trump's. "If you don't know who you're voting for then you're not black." That's the Democratic Party with the mask off. Doesn't have any real concern for racial inequality, just a lot of drum beating and pouring gasoline on the animosity that was incited. The quality of life didn't improve for poor blacks under Biden, it got worse.

As for Harris, for every person that didn't vote for her because of race and sex, four or five more would have voted for her if the Democratic Party had improved the quality of life for ordinary Americans. You're basically gaslighting people for not voting for a black woman for the sake of voting for a black woman. That's how bankrupt the Democratic Party and it's supporters are.

(11-08-2024, 03:41 PM)username Wrote: Does anyone remember during Obama’s first campaign when Michelle said something along the lines of “…and the U.S. could be better” and she was absolutely slammed for that comment? It was taken as a huge insult to the country at the time. IDK if I could find her exact words but I remember that often and definitely when I read “Make America Great Again” (inferring we’re horrible now and hear Trump refer to cities across the nation as being wrecked or dumps or ruined or whatever the word of the day is.

Random but that huge shift is a little baffling to me.

I don’t care if Trump won and/or the Democrats lost. I’m more bothered if MAGA won because I’m hoping that it’s not a movement that will survive years or decades after Trump is finally out of politics. Vance? Ugh!!

I also remember when some congress woman from Minnesota said something similar and everyone jumped on her for saying it, but for Trump to say it is ok.

And no Mark, we aren't going to fucking stop talking about Trump. If you don't want to read it then don't open the fucking thread for fucks sake.

(11-08-2024, 11:12 PM)rothschild Wrote: Biden took the poor and middle class for granted just like Clinton took the Rust Belt for granted. His comments leading up to the election were as disgusting as Trump's. "If you don't know who you're voting for then you're not black." That's the Democratic Party with the mask off. Doesn't have any real concern for racial inequality, just a lot of drum beating and pouring gasoline on the animosity that was incited. The quality of life didn't improve for poor blacks under Biden, it got worse.

As for Harris, for every person that didn't vote for her because of race and sex, four or five more would have voted for her if the Democratic Party had improved the quality of life for ordinary Americans. You're basically gaslighting people for not voting for a black woman for the sake of voting for a black woman. That's how bankrupt the Democratic Party and it's supporters are.

Yep. Again. I agree.

(11-08-2024, 04:10 PM)sally Wrote: Exactly and the only time I defend him is when Duchess is on here taking the shit he says out of context. Plus I can't stand the Democratic party in general anymore, they're even worse than the Republicans and that's saying something.

Please cite examples of what Trump says that was taken out of context. Trump's bullshit seems pretty straightforward to me.

There isn't a single soul who supports & defends trump that likes facing the things he says & does.

(11-09-2024, 02:29 AM)Clang McFly Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 04:10 PM)sally Wrote: Exactly and the only time I defend him is when Duchess is on here taking the shit he says out of context. Plus I can't stand the Democratic party in general anymore, they're even worse than the Republicans and that's saying something.

Please cite examples of what Trump says that was taken out of context. Trump's bullshit seems pretty straightforward to me.

Here's two:

"I'm going to be a dictator."

"There are good people on both sides".

(11-09-2024, 08:05 AM)Duchess Wrote: There isn't a single soul who supports & defends trump that likes facing the things he says & does.

Agreed.

(11-09-2024, 11:23 AM)BlueTiki Wrote:

(11-09-2024, 02:29 AM)Clang McFly Wrote:

(11-08-2024, 04:10 PM)sally Wrote: Exactly and the only time I defend him is when Duchess is on here taking the shit he says out of context. Plus I can't stand the Democratic party in general anymore, they're even worse than the Republicans and that's saying something.

Please cite examples of what Trump says that was taken out of context. Trump's bullshit seems pretty straightforward to me.

Here's two:

"I'm going to be a dictator."

"There are good people on both sides".

God you yankees have some fucked up ideas. Listen to Sally now all mouthy and full of herself. Dimwit shit head. She voted to get rid of the planet before she is old enough to have grandchildren. Better get used to going hungry for Elon, because that's what they are going to sell you now Ms Director Shithead.

(11-10-2024, 10:15 AM)aussiefriend Wrote: God you yankees have some fucked up ideas. Listen to Sally now all mouthy and full of herself. Dimwit shit head. She voted to get rid of the planet before she is old enough to have grandchildren. Better get used to going hungry for Elon, because that's what they are going to sell you now Ms Director Shithead.

Sounds like somebody is mad. Haha you crazy, dingbat bitch.

Another thing Aussie, who the hell do you think you are telling an American Citizen that contributes to society and pays $100,000 plus taxes per year who and what they should vote for? You need to get smacked across your fucking head, bitch. You can shove your so called kindness up your ass talking shit to me.

This thread will never die.

(11-11-2024, 05:00 PM)rothschild Wrote: This thread will never die.

It will die when Trump dies. I give Trump and the thread 20 years or less.(plus 6 months of celebrating his death).