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U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - Lady Cop - 03-19-2011
complete story at CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/03/19/libya.civil.war/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1
also at Daily Mail UK
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1367800/Libya-Rebels-shoot-fighter-jet-Gaddafis-forces-break-ceasefire.html
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- French, British and American military forces made good Saturday on international warnings to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, using fighter jets and cruise missiles to hammer military positions.
U.S. Tomahawk missiles have landed in the western area around Tripoli and Misrata, a senior Defense Department official said Saturday.
Earlier, French fighter jets deployed over Libya fired at a military vehicle Saturday, the country's first strike against Gadhafi's military forces, who earlier attacked the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.
Prime Minister David Cameron said late Saturday that British forces also are in action over Libya. "What we are doing is necessary, it is legal and it is right," he said. "I believe we should not stand aside while this dictator murders his own people."
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - shitstorm - 03-19-2011
I wish, for once, the Europeans and the Arab world would take care of something like this all on their own. I'd rather see the US help Japan and the people across the pond deal with that.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - Lady Cop - 03-19-2011
A fighter jet, seen in this composite photo, plummeted from the sky and burst into flames as artillery fire fell in Benghazi, Libya, on Saturday, March 19. An opposition fighter said the plane belonged to rebels and was dispatched to try to stop forces supporting Moammar Gadhafi from entering Benghazi. CNN could not independently confirm who the plane belonged to.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - username - 03-19-2011
I liked it better when the news was boring.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - Cracker - 03-19-2011
(03-19-2011, 05:22 PM)shitstorm Wrote: I wish, for once, the Europeans and the Arab world would take care of something like this all on their own. I'd rather see the US help Japan and the people across the pond deal with that.
I agree. Japan has been a good friend to us. We are helping as much as we can, especially with disaster relief. Our NRC is trying to help them, but they are the experts. If this was going to happen anywhere in the world and have a chance at a good outcome, Japan is the place.
I'm tired of the Middle East. They are like bad children who never learned how to behave. There are entire countries filled with bullies and victims over there. It will continue to be that way until they let the religious shit go.
Do they never stop and think what they are doing to their own children?
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - shitstorm - 03-19-2011
Good points, Cracker. I find Japan to be an admirable society and they are in serious need of a lot of help. They will be for a very long time. I don't know how they'll deal with all they've been dealt.
The middle east/north Africa/and Muslim Asia are just a massive clusterfuck - primarily due to Euro/Brit/US interference in the first place. I'm also not sure there isn't some foreign interference behind these "revolutions". As I understand it, Libya is not a hostage to the Jew bankster cabal. While everyone there deserves freedom, and I wish that for them, I wonder if the price tag for "help" has already been decided in the form of new debt with compound interest for further enrichment of the tribe.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - Maggot - 03-19-2011
WWIII started 6 yrs ago.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - shitstorm - 03-19-2011
(03-19-2011, 07:22 PM)Maggot Wrote: WWIII started 6 yrs ago.
2005?
*thinks*
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - username - 03-19-2011
Here's my problem with this endeavor. Obama is saying that he doesn't intend to send groundtroops in to Libya. Check. The goal of this effort is to prevent Gadhafi from killing his own "citizens". Check. So, once we bomb the shit out of their air defense systems and set up a no-fly zone, and bomb any tanks or military that appear to be threatening the rebels/citizens then what? Do we patrol there forever?
And suppose Gadhafi were to step down (haha), get himself killed or some of his own military turns against him. Then what? What's left is a great, big power vacuum.
I don't think we've learned that you can't just go in and blow up a regime without having some plan or infrastructure in place. Chaos ensues and then, of course, we have to send in "peacekeepers" while a new regime is established and some semblance of order is restored. Witness, Iraq.
And Libya seems to be just one in a series of dominoes that are teetering or falling in that area. To the extent that rebel activity is somewhat succeeding in one area, it seems to be inciting more activity in other areas. The whole freaking area is a powder keg right now.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - username - 03-19-2011
I have to admit to a certain sick awe as I watch this unfold though. I heard on the radio today that those Tomahawk cruise missiles can pretty much hit a 50 gallon drum from 500 miles away. Fuckin' aye!
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - IMaDick - 03-19-2011
Obama has given quadafi all the help he can, he has divulged our plans to him. You know even if we didn't plan on putting boots on the ground, that fucker never needed to know it.
You know the saying "loose lips sink ships" never loses it's meaning.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - username - 03-19-2011
(03-19-2011, 08:05 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Obama has given quadafi all the help he can, he has divulged our plans to him. You know even if we didn't plan on putting boots on the ground, that fucker never needed to know it.
You know the saying "loose lips sink ships" never loses it's meaning.
No-win situation. If he hadn't at least paid lip service (to overuse lip sayings) to not putting our troops on the ground, he would have received more protests from home.
It would be nice if he could keep that promise and any ground forces/peacekeepers will come from across the pond.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - IMaDick - 03-19-2011
(03-19-2011, 08:27 PM)username Wrote:(03-19-2011, 08:05 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Obama has given quadafi all the help he can, he has divulged our plans to him. You know even if we didn't plan on putting boots on the ground, that fucker never needed to know it.
You know the saying "loose lips sink ships" never loses it's meaning.
No-win situation. If he hadn't at least paid lip service (to overuse lip sayings) to not putting our troops on the ground, he would have received more protests from home.
It would be nice if he could keep that promise and any ground forces/peacekeepers will come from across the pond.
Backbone is a blessing.
While I agree he would have gotten it either way, don't you think it would have been better had he not taken the US off the table just yet?
Why jeopardise the mission of the arab nations that want to bring troops on the gound there?
and now what if it becomes inevitable that american troops have to go into libya? don't you think it would have been easier to not say anything now and see how things unfold there first?
If we do have troops that have to go in now, what does he look like and what will be the crap he takes?
It's almost like saying I have 4 aces before anyone bets in a poker game , you win nothing but lose alot.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - Lady Cop - 03-19-2011
March 19: Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Barry (DDG 52) launches a Tomahawk missile in support of Operation Odyssey Dawn. This was one of approximately 110 cruise missiles fired from U.S. and British ships and submarines that targeted about 20 radar and anti-aircraft sites along Libyas Mediterranean coast.
![[Image: LibyaStrikes4_20110319_202124.jpg]](http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/LibyaStrikes4_20110319_202124.jpg)
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - username - 03-19-2011
(03-19-2011, 08:46 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Backbone is a blessing.
While I agree he would have gotten it either way, don't you think it would have been better had he not taken the US off the table just yet?
Why jeopardise the mission of the arab nations that want to bring troops on the gound there?
and now what if it becomes inevitable that american troops have to go into libya? don't you think it would have been easier to not say anything now and see how things unfold there first?
If we do have troops that have to go in now, what does he look like and what will be the crap he takes?
It's almost like saying I have 4 aces before anyone bets in a poker game , you win nothing but lose alot.
Yep. I see your point. If we do end up sending troops in, he's going to look like an ass and the backlash will be worse. Hopefully, he knows for a fact that WE won't be sending in ground troops--but he knows which countries will.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - Cracker - 03-19-2011
Not sending in "ground troops" is an issue of semantics at this point. We have massive deployments at present of our ground troops who will be stationed on Naval ships in that area. They bumped up all deployments by a month or two. Obama is playing the game. We are going.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - username - 03-19-2011
Okay, to what end are we going in? Let's just get this discussion over with. Oil? Humanitarian? Strategic?
I heard on the radio today that Libya only produces like 2% of oil and it's a "sweet crude" that is mainly useful for diesel fuel. I'm too lazy to research whether that's true or not but...question to everyone:
Why do you think we're there? Is it worthwhile?
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - IMaDick - 03-19-2011
(03-19-2011, 09:50 PM)username Wrote: Okay, to what end are we going in? Let's just get this discussion over with. Oil? Humanitarian? Strategic?
I heard on the radio today that Libya only produces like 2% of oil and it's a "sweet crude" that is mainly useful for diesel fuel. I'm too lazy to research whether that's true or not but...question to everyone:
Why do you think we're there? Is it worthwhile?
the oil there is the french interest.
The ports and location are ours.
If we take libya the new Government will let us stay unlike Iraq.
There are many reasons for us to want a presence in the area.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - Maggot - 03-19-2011
(03-19-2011, 07:24 PM)shitstorm Wrote:(03-19-2011, 07:22 PM)Maggot Wrote: WWIII started 6 yrs ago.
2005?
*thinks*
"China has announced the first details of a controversial law that would allow it to use force against Taiwan ... China sees Taiwan as its territory, and has threatened to use force if the island formally declares independence. Taiwanese lawmakers responded quickly and angrily to the proposed legislation, saying it was a pretext for attack." -- bbcnews. This is part of the plan for World War 3: after the war is sparked in the Middle East, a nuclear confrontation on the Korean Peninsula will erupt which will threaten the existence of all mankind. Thereafter China will invade Taiwan.
RE: U.S. and allies launch first missiles against Gadhafi forces - Maggot - 03-19-2011
