(07-23-2012, 12:25 PM)Aberlin Wrote: I seriously doubt the evidence planting theory (no offense of course) mainly due to logic

I don't think any of us believe that butt was planted there. Speaking only for myself, I mentioned it for reasonable doubt purposes only. I feel comfortable in my belief that they shared a cigarette in the garage however PROVING that will be difficult if not impossible.

I never have a issue with being wrong so if I have to eat crow on this one point that won't be a problem.

(07-23-2012, 12:31 PM)Lady Cop Wrote:

(07-23-2012, 12:20 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: gurl: who testified that there were was more evidence found in home after police had left crime scene


OH FUCK!! that is bad!! after scene was released??

evidence has a chain of custody. if evidence was overlooked, not bagged and tagged, or not shown to be from party the night before, scene released to cleaners, then the chain of custody is broken. (if house was cleaned how did Mrs. Straub find more evidence?) it renders it useless. i hope that was mis-reported. or we will be seeing one big cluster fuck with the defense having a field day tap-dancing around the courtrooms.

(07-23-2012, 12:33 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(07-23-2012, 12:25 PM)Aberlin Wrote: I seriously doubt the evidence planting theory (no offense of course) mainly due to logic

I don't think any of us believe that butt was planted there. Speaking only for myself, I mentioned it for reasonable doubt purposes only. I feel comfortable in my belief that they shared a cigarette in the garage however PROVING that will be difficult if not impossible.

I never have a issue with being wrong so if I have to eat crow on this one point that won't be a problem.

(07-23-2012, 12:49 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: Mustang expects to be in court until 4pm. At lunch now. He is at the Pettaway trial. The Straubs have testified at both trials. So, unless they reserve the right to recall them, they can now attend both trials. There were a lot of empty seats in Bates courtroom. You have to be on a list for the trials and Mustang is on the list for both. They are not allowing any additions to the list. I guess they are keeping the public out! I would think that is unusual. IMO they probably don't want interruptions. Just wanted to let you know that M. will have a report later today

thanks Dick Tracy, and it's great to see you again!

(07-23-2012, 09:43 AM)justme Wrote: Well---here I am back home from the courthouse---and very dissappointed. Didn't get in. I know someone on the defense team and they said you definately have to be on a list. Even if there are open seats it's only 5 people per each family and media.( Fox news and WTOL (channel 11) are in the Pettaway courtroom) It's because the Clarke family doesn't know how to behave---idiots.

My source also told me the crime scene photos are "horrific". Feel so badly for the Staubs.

Hopefully Mustang is able to go today. I was hoping to meet him at some point.

Ah well---I am hopeful these two will be convicted *fingers crossed*

WTOL

TOLEDO, OH (Toledo News Now) - Evidence is being presented in the death penalty case against Samuel Williams Monday. Williams is charged with murder in the deaths of Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub in January 2011.

There are two separate trials going on for Samuel Williams and Cameo Pettaway, the men accused of murdering the Springfield Township couple.

So far in Williams' trial three witnesses have been called to the stand, establishing relationships and discussing how they knew the victims. Drug use has been brought to attention by the witnesses.

During Williams' trial, the prosecution painted a picture of how the couple lived in a very clean home.

Similar discussions occurred during Pettaway's trial. Prosecutors also focused on a traditionally clean home, bringing up how the cigarette butt links Pettaway and Williams to the scene of the crime.




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(07-23-2012, 03:25 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: thanks Dick Tracy, and it's great to see you again!

(07-23-2012, 03:59 PM)NightOwl Wrote: Dick Tracy, thanks for the Blade report. Do reporters' take shorthand notes anymore?? citizens out here would like to know what questions were asked from a witness.

(07-23-2012, 12:49 PM)Older Than Dirt Wrote: Mustang expects to be in court until 4pm. At lunch now. He is at the Pettaway trial. The Straubs have testified at both trials. So, unless they reserve the right to recall them, they can now attend both trials. There were a lot of empty seats in Bates courtroom. You have to be on a list for the trials and Mustang is on the list for both. They are not allowing any additions to the list. I guess they are keeping the public out! I would think that is unusual. IMO they probably don't want interruptions. Just wanted to let you know that M. will have a report later today

(07-23-2012, 08:07 AM)Duchess Wrote:

(07-23-2012, 06:48 AM)pspence Wrote: Slam dunk.

It's not a slam dunk, pspence and frankly I wouldn't want a jury who thought it was given the only thing we've heard is regarding their DNA on a cigarette butt. There is unknown DNA, doesn't that give you pause? I see no proof of their guilt at all...so far.

(07-23-2012, 12:33 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(07-23-2012, 12:25 PM)Aberlin Wrote: I seriously doubt the evidence planting theory (no offense of course) mainly due to logic

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I don't think any of us believe that butt was planted there.