(04-30-2015, 02:44 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(04-30-2015, 02:08 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: Pay closer attention to the end of the video where it shows him standing on his own two feet on the back of the wagon. Someone with a severed spine isn't going to stand up like that. In addition, a man with a severed spine isn't going to be asking for his inhaler.

I watched it again Gunnar.

I can't tell if Gray is able to stand on his own; he's got officers holding him on both sides. It's an open question, IMO.

Regarding asking for his inhaler, I think he coulda asked for that with a severe spinal injury. Why do you say that he absolutely could not have?

(04-30-2015, 02:44 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(04-30-2015, 02:08 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: Pay closer attention to the end of the video where it shows him standing on his own two feet on the back of the wagon. Someone with a severed spine isn't going to stand up like that. In addition, a man with a severed spine isn't going to be asking for his inhaler.

I watched it again Gunnar.

I can't tell if Gray is able to stand on his own; he's got officers holding him on both sides. It's an open question, IMO.

Regarding asking for his inhaler, I think he coulda asked for that with a severe spinal injury. Why do you say that he absolutely could not have?

(04-30-2015, 02:59 PM)Duchess Wrote:

The AP is reporting that a Deputy Commissioner said that the police van carrying Gray made an undisclosed stop that was caught on a private camera. Apparently that was left out of the statements most of them gave after this occurred, hence "undisclosed".

(04-30-2015, 02:49 PM)Duchess Wrote:

(04-30-2015, 02:31 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: This time it went bad.

Oh well.

You're such a POS and a fraud to boot. Stop trying to pass yourself off as a good Christian. You're not.

(04-30-2015, 03:25 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I don't know why you have to be so insistent that you know things you couldn't possibly know, Gunnar. But, it always make me laugh. So, thanks for that.

I do believe that Freddie Gray MIGHT have suffered a spinal injury before getting in the van. That COULD explain his pain and lack of mobility. That MAY also have contributed to his shortness of breath. It's a possibility.

Many types of spinal injuries cause numbness and immobility below the shoulders first (as you may have seen with some severely injured football players).

So, nothing you've posted invalidates the possibility that FREDDIE GRAY COULD HAVE SUFFERED A SPINAL INJURY BEFORE HE WAS PUT IN THE VAN.

I'm not saying that Gray's spine certainly injured or severed before he was put in the van. I'm saying it's possible. And, as I noted before, he could indeed have asked for an inhaler, not all spinal injuries would prevent him from so doing.

I want to know the truth. I don't want the police department taking the blame for things that they didn't do. But, I also don't want them taking blame for lesser infractions in order to avoid responsibility for greater ones.

Here's some reading material to help you better understand why it's a valid open question as to whether Gray's spine was injured before the van ride, if you're interested:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/doctor-freddie-gray-not-sever-spine-article-1.2205179
http://espn.go.com/college-football/preview13/story/_/id/9582523/injured-tulane-s-devon-walker-personality-helps-rehab

(04-30-2015, 03:42 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: I'm not trying to convince you of anything, Gunnar. I'm exploring possibilities and responding to other people's speculation. I like to do that because I find it interesting and enlightening.

You, on the other hand, are insisting that one possible scenario which is being explored is invalid, based on nothing more than your opinion. Your opinion that it's impossible for Gray to have suffered a spinal injury before the van ride is refuted by medical professionals and by other documented cases of spinal injury.

If and when all the FACTS come to light, I'll be glad to have them. That's what I want. I want the the truth, and I want accountability to be placed where it belongs. Until we have the facts, your opinions and speculations are just as valid -- no more or less -- than everybody elses', even when you try to position them as FACTS.

(04-30-2015, 03:51 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: Let's just face it... I'm right and you know it.

(04-30-2015, 04:04 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(04-30-2015, 03:51 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote: Let's just face it... I'm right and you know it.

The most I can give you is that you might be right. On the other hand, Duchess might be right.

It's an open investigation and I don't know exactly what happened.

Here's where you're wrong; you're wrong to think you'll ever have any success stifling speculation and opining here just because you believe that you already have the mystery solved and your mind is closed to alternate possibilities. But, that attitude is welcome here too.

(04-30-2015, 04:39 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Sounds like you've made a habit of surrounding yourself with immature or ignorant women, Gunnar (or, maybe they're all just too confident to placate and you're simply wrong a lot?).

Anyway, I tell people they're right or I think they're right all the time; men and women alike. But, only when I really mean it. I've agreed with you many times here at Mock.

And, yeah, I suspect you were only playing around with that last comment. Still, I think you're about as stubborn a mule as I've ever encountered, even when you're playing around. That's quite an accomplishment, considering I interface with hardheaded people in their 80s and 90s on a regular basis.

(04-30-2015, 04:43 PM)Jimbone Wrote: And how the hell has the officer driving the van NOT given a statement yet?