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RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - sally - 01-12-2014
Are you two really going to ruin a perfectly good horse slaughter thread? You can go back to the deserted island thread and discuss this amongst yourselves if you feel there are any unresolved issues.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - HairOfTheDog - 01-12-2014
Nah, the horses still reign supreme here, for me.
I read a little bit more about horse slaughtering here in the U.S.
There actually was a "Horse Slaughter Prevention Act" introduced into Congress. I don't know where it stands, but it appears that Rains in Missouri isn't the only one waiting for a final word from governmental authorities in order to resume horse slaughtering.
There are two other meat processors ready to resume slaughtering since the lifting of the 2006 prohibition - one in New Mexico and one in Iowa.
Valley Meat in New Mexico and companies in Missouri and Iowa last year won federal permits to become the first horse slaughterhouses to operate since Congress effectively banned the practice by cutting funding for inspections at plants in 2006. The last of the domestic plants closed in 2007. Congress in 2011 reinstated the funding.
Valley Meat Co. owner Rick De Los Santos has led the effort to force the Department of Agriculture to permit the horse slaughter plants, sparking an emotional, national debate on whether horses are livestock or companion animals.
Animal protection groups argue the practice is barbaric.
Proponents argue it is better to slaughter unwanted horses domestically than have them shipped thousands of miles to Canada or less humane facilities in Mexico.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/06/3855564/horse-slaughterhouse-to-sue-ag.html#storylink=cpy
Lots of animal activists and interest groups putting pressure on Washington to block the slaughtering, of course. Based on some of their blogs and campaigns, Obama pissed them off big time when the ban was lifted in 2011.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Duchess - 01-12-2014
Auctions are carried out across the country, after providing the winning bid the horses are then packed into semi-tractor trailers, not loaded as we would do if going to the racetrack but packed, wither to wither until the trailer is full. On the East Coast they are taken into Canada and slaughtered. I could bawl like a 2 yr. old just thinking about this. I hate that I even know about it.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Maggot - 01-12-2014
I understand the use of horse meat, instead of putting them in the ground for lack of a better place for them. But they are very smart smarter than a cow or chicken and that bugs me. There will come a time in the future when it may be necessary in the United States. In a third world country yes. But not here ..........yet.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Maggot - 01-12-2014
(01-12-2014, 05:20 PM)Cynical Ninja Wrote:(01-12-2014, 04:50 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Move on. Jesus.
What a hypocrite!
You might notice in some threads I let you have the last word. Because you've won the argument? No, because I concede the point to you? No. Its because I really can't be arsed reading and dissecting another one of your epic posts about literally fuck all that prove how much you just don't care!
Follow your own damn advice and move on for Christs sake.
Jesus. Ever since you became a mod you've turned into one of the most pedantic people I have ever come across online.
I do not see it as that, I see it as covering her bases so you do not pick apart what she says. A simple answer is never good enough for you sometimes. I still want my dictionary bitch!
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - HairOfTheDog - 01-13-2014
(01-12-2014, 06:50 PM)Duchess Wrote:
Auctions are carried out across the country, after providing the winning bid the horses are then packed into semi-tractor trailers, not loaded as we would do if going to the racetrack but packed, wither to wither until the trailer is full. On the East Coast they are taken into Canada and slaughtered. I could bawl like a 2 yr. old just thinking about this. I hate that I even know about it.
I read a little about those "kill buyers" or "meat men".
If this issue is only about allowing horses who are tagged to be killed - no matter what, I think it is more humane to have it done locally than to package them up like sardines and make them travel hundreds/thousands of miles to their deaths. In that case, I'd support doing it in the states and don't object to anybody profiting from it.
If instead we're talking about raising horses for consumption or killing them just because they're worth more dead than alive, it doesn't seem right to me, on a purely emotional basis.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Duchess - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 11:38 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: worth more dead than alive
I know this statement only pertains to what we are discussing right now but if I look at it as a whole it's an entirely different topic viewed from an insurance standpoint. Some horses really are worth more dead than alive. *sigh*
This is a great topic and one I wish more people were aware of, of course then there are those who don't have two fucks to give about it :(
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - sally - 01-13-2014
A customer just gave me a check with a horse on it was returned to the bank unpaid. Fucking horse lovers.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Duchess - 01-13-2014
Isn't that illegal?
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - username - 01-13-2014
In my heart, I'm a vegan. My mouth just won't cooperate.
I don't eat lamb or veal and I wouldn't eat horse meat (knowingly) for the same principal. They're just too majestic or cute (depending on the animal). I don't eat venison either...might as well be Bambi's mother. If I ever got close to a cow or pigs, I could probably drop them from the diet too.
The boarding school my daughter attended for awhile had a farm to table program. She told me how cute it was when the cows sucked on her fingers. Later she told me they were all slaughtered. I was horrified but she's developed a very practical food chain mentality. Or she's a psychopath. *shrugs*
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Cynical Ninja - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 02:59 PM)username Wrote: My mouth just won't cooperate.
Yes, I imagine much to your old mans dismay.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Duchess - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 02:59 PM)username Wrote: she's developed a very practical food chain mentality.
That's a healthy attitude. I've never been able to get to that place in my mind. I like most animals and given the opportunity I'll turn them into a pet and think they are only for loving. I could never eat an animal that I knew, never ever. I'd probably die in the wild because I really don't think I could kill an animal in order to feed myself.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Cynical Ninja - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 03:15 PM)Duchess Wrote: I could never eat an animal that I knew, never ever.
Well that's got to be a given surely?
Would I try cat? Yeah.
Would I eat Monty and Mork? Of course not.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Duchess - 01-13-2014
I remember when you got your first cat. Things must have worked out great given you got another one.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Cynical Ninja - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 04:16 PM)Duchess Wrote:
I remember when you got your first cat. Things must have worked out great given you got another one.
Yeah they are both rescue cats and they get on great because they've both had the snip.
Monty is named after General Montgomery and Mork always comes for a scratch if you shout nanoo nanoo! So he's Mork.
Lol.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - crash - 01-13-2014
I remember seeing a video a while ago about a guy in NM who did the horsemeat thing. He made the video of himself walking a horse up to the camera on a rope and petting it a little, turning to the camera and saying "All you animal activists; fuck you!" and then draws a handgun and shooting it point blank in the head.
It's probably the only time any of those shock videos has made me sick to the stomach and fucking seriously angry at the same time.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Cynical Ninja - 01-13-2014
It wasn't Dick was it?!
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - crash - 01-13-2014
He probably told everyone it was.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Duchess - 01-13-2014
(01-13-2014, 04:37 PM)crash Wrote: It's probably the only time any of those shock videos has made me sick to the stomach and fucking seriously angry at the same time.
I'm very sensitive where the well being of animals is concerned & a little disturbed that I don't have the same feelings regarding humans.
Seeing what that man did would make me want to kill him, not kidding.
RE: HORSE SLAUGHTER - YAY OR NAY? - Cynical Ninja - 01-14-2014
(01-13-2014, 04:58 PM)Duchess Wrote: I'm very sensitive where the well being of animals is concerned & a little disturbed that I don't have the same feelings regarding humans.
Don't be disturbed.
I love my cats more than most humans beings.