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- Liquid - 03-14-2009
of course that is true, but they ARE BIRDS. The cartoon we are discussing is just a drawing that some people have attached importance to. It is some peoples interpretation of of the drawing. that is it. The bird is a real animal and that is not in question. Someone could look at a cartoon drawing of Snoopy and attach the same importance you do to the black and white cartoon.
- SyberBitch - 03-14-2009
Liquid Wrote:of course that is true, but they ARE BIRDS. The cartoon we are discussing is just a drawing that some people have attached importance to. It is some peoples interpretation of of the drawing. that is it. The bird is a real animal and that is not in question. Someone could look at a cartoon drawing of Snoopy and attach the same importance you do to the black and white cartoon.Actually, no. ::bigg::
The meaning of the symbol is not something I and 'some people' have given it. It is not simply our interpretation of the meaning of the drawing. When the drawing was originally made, it was made to illustrate a very specific truth and that meaning is not open to interpretation. The meaning was recorded thousands of years ago and passed along until this day. Although the meaning can be 'applied' in a limitless number of ways, the basic meaning itself is well documented.
This reminds me strongly of when I was in a college art class, arguing with the teacher about the 'meaning' of Starry Night. After the class, I did research into van Gogh's letters to his brother and found one where he actually talked about the painting and the meaning it had when he painted it. I was correct. I didn't score any points with the teacher over proving it though.
- Liquid - 03-14-2009
SyberBitch Wrote:When the drawing was originally made, it was made to illustrate a very specific truth and that meaning is not open to interpretation.Of course it IS open to interpretation. Everything is. I don't believe one word of the Bible and many people don't. If it is open to interpretation then so is some silly cartoon drawing.
- SyberBitch - 03-15-2009
Your Mother!! ::finger::
::lmao::
- The Antagonist - 03-15-2009
Starry Night is one of my favorite paintings.
Syber, don't you just love when teachers challenge you? My favorite challenge was in the 5th grade. We had a book fair and I bought Moby Dick (OBK mentioning this reminded me of this story too) and Heinlein's Stranger In A Strange Land.
Mr. Gasparo (egads I even remember his name!) was all kinds of pissy because I bought these two books and insisted I wouldn't understand them and I shouldn't have bought them.
We were to do an assignment with a book we bought at the fair but I was warned no more Pipi Longstocking book reports. So I bought those two books.
I told him I was going to write one on Moby Dick. He laughed in my face and gave me two extra weeks to read it and report on it.
I really wish my mother saved all my stuff from school.
Anyway, the report was not a literary work of genius but I got a passing grade and an apology from Mr. G. I did indeed understand it (barely but hell I was only 10!).
I was always good with reading but math... pfft - I'm lucky my checkbook balances.
- Maggot - 03-15-2009
I kinda liked Stranger In A Strange Land. It reminded me of how the human race is so wrapped up in selfish need to the bitter end, and portrayed humanity in an ever increasing child like frame of mind. But I think "Catcher in the Rye" was the funnest book to read and have read it maybe3 times. Classics never age do they.
Who really cares what others think anyways. Fuck-em.
- LuMPyPussy - 03-15-2009
My mom let me get a Kurt Vonnegut paperback when I was in 5th grade... holy shit, that was an eye opener! She about shit herself when she found out what it was about. ::laugh::
- The Antagonist - 03-15-2009
When I was 12 I found a copy of The Happy Hooker in my moms 'secret' stash. She caught me reading it and said not a word. Then when I finished it she asked me what I thought of it.
What's really weird is that my mom is the most uptight, unfunny, narrowminded womanout there but she NEVER stopped me from reading whatever I wanted even if it was porn. She'll scoff at the thought of watching porn but for some reason reading it is ok. ::blink::
Stranger In A Strange land is a great book. I've read it over and over again and every time I listen to Bowie's Ziggy Stardust album I want to go read it again.
Heinlein is one of my favorite authors.
- SyberBitch - 03-15-2009
The Antagonist Wrote:Starry Night is one of my favorite paintings.I totally understand. I was in similar situations several times. I'm also horrible at math. =p Kind of goofy that they have such low standards though, isn't it? It's even worse NOW I think, with the whole 'no child left behind' nonsense. I'm SO going to homeschool my son.
Syber, don't you just love when teachers challenge you? My favorite challenge was in the 5th grade. We had a book fair and I bought Moby Dick (OBK mentioning this reminded me of this story too) and Heinlein's Stranger In A Strange Land.
Mr. Gasparo (egads I even remember his name!) was all kinds of pissy because I bought these two books and insisted I wouldn't understand them and I shouldn't have bought them.
We were to do an assignment with a book we bought at the fair but I was warned no more Pipi Longstocking book reports. So I bought those two books.
I told him I was going to write one on Moby Dick. He laughed in my face and gave me two extra weeks to read it and report on it.
I really wish my mother saved all my stuff from school.
Anyway, the report was not a literary work of genius but I got a passing grade and an apology from Mr. G. I did indeed understand it (barely but hell I was only 10!).
I was always good with reading but math... pfft - I'm lucky my checkbook balances.