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RE: Girl gives birth on the street... - username - 06-08-2012
(06-08-2012, 10:28 PM)aussiefriend Wrote:(06-08-2012, 10:22 PM)username Wrote:(06-08-2012, 10:18 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: You fucker, there is no excuse.
I know! So stop making excuses for your family members.
I was being sarcastic. I am a nurse, do you think I would condone that shit? It makes me so angry.
The other side of the coin, is that they probably have no value on the child because it was conceived 'haram' style ie (forbidden), bringing disrepute to their precious family honor.
I was kind of kidding Aussie. You're right (and so is HotD). It is a much larger issue than one baby being born and neglected. Unfortunately. Infanticide is much more common than I'd like to acknowledge or can comprehend.
RE: Girl gives birth on the street... - HairOfTheDog - 06-08-2012
(06-08-2012, 10:28 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: The other side of the coin, is that they probably have no value on the child because it was conceived 'haram' style ie (forbidden), bringing disrepute to their precious family honor.
Possibly, but we don't know that. Every year, babies are born in the US (and maybe Australia?) and discarded to die for fear of what the family or society will think. Often in those cases, the pregnancy is hidden by the girl, like in the Turkish case. It's all bizarre. Granted, a baby being born on the street and left there (caught by video) is a first see for me. Hope it's the last...
RE: Girl gives birth on the street... - cladking - 06-09-2012
(06-08-2012, 09:56 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:(06-08-2012, 08:20 PM)cladking Wrote: Turks do not regard human life so lowly as the three who left the baby. They love their children as much as anyone else.
I've not seen any indication that what happened in this instance in Turkey is indicative of the country's culture regarding infants/children either. The countries that have cultural/economic issues which are linked directly to an actual practice of infanticide and abandonment are China (due primarily to its 1 child policy), the poorer parts of India (due primarily to the high cost/dowry required for girls), and the poorer parts of Africa. Of course, it's hard for the World Health Org or any organization to track exactly because these deaths by abandonment are not proactively reported, but these are consistently cited as the problem areas.
Compared to other developed nations, the United States has the highest rate of child homicide: 8.0/100,000 for infants, 2.5/100,000 for preschool-age children (age 1–4 years), and 1.5/100,000 for school-age children (age 5–14 years).
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?Volume=162&page=1578&journalID=13
Can that be blamed on culture? To an extent, possibly. But, I think that psychology, circumstance, and laws have a lot to do with it. It's very difficult to understand how anyone anywhere can kill a baby or child or leave them to die. In the few countries where it's a known systematic practice due to economic/cultural issues, hoping there is progress made, as was done in South Korea. But, even so, that won't mean that no babies are killed there, just that the reasons will be different and the numbers will be significantly lower. JMO...
I can't speak to all of the post but the problem in China is primarily economic and fiat. There is no safety net to speak of for older or disabled adults and they need children to support them in their old age. China imposes some draconian sanctions on people for having more than a single child so people want male children who can better support them in old age. While abortion rates for females is very high I was not aware that infanticide was extremely common. Almost anything at all can come to be seen as normal or natural to people so we rarely even think about the status quo.
RE: Girl gives birth on the street... - Duchess - 06-09-2012
Clad, are the women in China waiting to see the results of their amniocentesis & then aborting females?
I know a couple who went to China to get their baby because they couldn't conceive. She told me afterwards that there were about 25 couples on the last leg of their flight doing the exact same thing.
RE: Girl gives birth on the street... - HairOfTheDog - 06-09-2012
Clad, sex selective abortions is indeed more common these days in China and India with ultrasound technology more accessible there. But, there remains an ongoing problem with discarded female fetuses found routinely in garbage and public disposal areas. Two years ago, 21 female babies (some may have been fetuses) were found dumped in a Chinese river; hospital workers were charged. The Chinese government acknowledges the problem of both gendercide through high numbers of female abortions and infanticide. India faces and acknowledges the same problems, not only amongst the poor, but also the rich and educated. The means for killing these newborn Indian girls are unbelievable.
A few articles, if you're interested.
CHINA: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130158&page=1
CHINA: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8596307.stm
INDIA: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2728976&page=1
GLOBAL: http://www.economist.com/node/15606229
RE: Girl gives birth on the street... - Ma Huang Sor - 06-09-2012
(06-08-2012, 01:38 PM)IMaDick Wrote: Charity reply.
Those women in turkey are tough.
and covered with hair.
+1
RE: Girl gives birth on the street... - Ma Huang Sor - 06-09-2012
jsyk I thank you for all your charity replies.
RE: Girl gives birth on the street... - Cynical Ninja - 06-11-2012
Human life is less valued the further east you travel, Turks pretend to be Europeans but they aren't they are MF style ragheads through and through.
RE: Girl gives birth on the street... - aussiefriend - 06-12-2012
(06-11-2012, 09:40 AM)Cynical Ninja Wrote: Human life is less valued the further east you travel, Turks pretend to be Europeans but they aren't they are MF style ragheads through and through.
I nearly got arrested in the middle east once because I was with a man who wasn't my husband. They were going to take me to the station when they thought I was just Australian. When I told them I was also British, they backed off. Big time. I have to say, I was very frightened, I have seen Midnight Express.