(02-29-2016, 05:05 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:

(02-17-2016, 12:17 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: I hope the owners of the weapon used have a great attorney and excessive insurance.

Or a substantial portfolio and assets.

The little fucker who provided the weapon needs to be charged and prosecuted.

The families of the two girls reportedly don't want the boy prosecuted, but I agree with you that he should face some legal consequences.

Update -- Details of Shooter's Murder/Suicide Note:
The 15-year-old girl who fatally shot herself and a classmate two weeks ago at Independence High School in Glendale left behind notes of apology, explanation and even guidance for the emergency personnel she foresaw arriving at the chaotic scene she would soon create.

Glendale police released copies of the letters Friday afternoon while also announcing that they would be submitting a charge against another teen who provided the girl the gun.

Family members have confirmed that the pair who died were May Kieu and Dorothy Dutiel, both 15. Police identified Dutiel as the shooter. They were both sophomores and had been in a romantic relationship.

The handwritten letters, which were edited by police to remove identities and other privileged information, provide a window into a teenage psyche, portraying a girl who said she was “of sane mind” struggling with excruciating heartbreak.

In a letter titled “+ biased explanations,” Dutiel wrote about the unraveling relationship between her and her girlfriend — presumably Kieu.

“Last Saturday, I was informed she didn’t love me romantically anymore,” the letter said. “I was not okay. But we did not separate, because she told me there was a chance.”

“This week,” she continued, “has been the worst in my life.”

The author took pains to absolve everyone in her life of responsibility for her actions — including Kieu. She apologized to her parents for “what I have done,” as well as for comparatively inconsequential details.

“I’m sorry that you just bought me new clothes,” she says in a letter addressed to “Momma.”

A separate letter addressed to “First responders” was matter-of-fact. It said the gun was a Beretta, provided by a classmate. The victim was her girlfriend (name redacted), and the “holder” of this note was “me” (name redacted).

The day of the shooting, a firefighter was the first to notice a piece of paper hanging out of her right front pocket.

The note ended with phone numbers for three “emergency contacts” — her mother, father and grandmother.

In a paragraph near the top of the letter, Dutiel attempted to relieve the classmate who provided the gun of any blame.

“I would like to clarify that him and his family are in no way affiliated with my actions,” she writes. “(Redacted) was under the absolute impression I needed it for self defense. I lied to receive this gun.”

On Friday, Glendale police announced that investigators planned to submit a charge of sale or gift of firearm to a minor, a low-level felony, against the student. The law states that a person who sells or gives a firearm to a minor, without consent of the minor's parent or guardian, is guilty of a Class 6 felony.

The police statement stressed that both of the girls’ families do not wish to prosecute the 15-year-old boy.

It will be up to the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office whether to file charges.


Source: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/glendale/2016/02/26/glendale-police-submit-charge-against-teen-who-provided-gun-independence-high-school-classmate/81006722/

(02-29-2016, 05:17 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: She was a selfish little prick who should've just taken her life instead of the person she supposedly loved.

This is the oldest story in the book when it comes to domestic abuse.

Person A no longer wants to be with Person B, so Person B kills Person A.

As for the potential felony charge, I'm of the opinion that the DA should prosecute even though the families say that he/she shouldn't.

(02-29-2016, 05:49 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 05:17 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: She was a selfish little prick who should've just taken her life instead of the person she supposedly loved.

This is the oldest story in the book when it comes to domestic abuse.

Person A no longer wants to be with Person B, so Person B kills Person A.

As for the potential felony charge, I'm of the opinion that the DA should prosecute even though the families say that he/she shouldn't.

That's ridiculous. Enough lives have been affected by this.

(02-29-2016, 06:06 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 05:49 PM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 05:17 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: She was a selfish little prick who should've just taken her life instead of the person she supposedly loved.

This is the oldest story in the book when it comes to domestic abuse.

Person A no longer wants to be with Person B, so Person B kills Person A.

As for the potential felony charge, I'm of the opinion that the DA should prosecute even though the families say that he/she shouldn't.

That's ridiculous. Enough lives have been affected by this.

Ridiculous?

Glad you're not the district attorney.

(03-01-2016, 02:32 AM)Cutz Wrote: IMO, if the kid is 15 and the families don't want him prosecuted, throw him in juvie for a bit and then put him on parole. It's terrible, but you don't need to make an example of him. Consequences can be light compared to the guilt.

(02-29-2016, 09:41 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: Remember BG, a murder was committed here, not just a suicide.

(03-01-2016, 11:03 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 09:41 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: Remember BG, a murder was committed here, not just a suicide.

Honestly, when I read your posts MS, I picture Charlie from "It's Always Sunny" talking. It helps your medicine go down.

(03-01-2016, 11:12 AM)Midwest Spy Wrote:

(03-01-2016, 11:03 AM)Blindgreed1 Wrote:

(02-29-2016, 09:41 PM)Midwest Spy Wrote: Remember BG, a murder was committed here, not just a suicide.

Honestly, when I read your posts MS, I picture Charlie from "It's Always Sunny" talking. It helps your medicine go down.

I won't beat this to death, because you clearly have no problem with 'shit happens' in this case.

However, if it was your daughter that was murdered by her ex with a gun given to her illegally, you'd have no problem with no charges being filed?

I'd have a problem with it.

(03-01-2016, 11:19 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Without prosecution -- as you propose Gunnar -- the teen would get off scot free.

A plea deal resulting in a stint in juvie and probation, reduction to a misdemeanor charge, community service and a fine....all would be the result of a prosecution.

What you're proposing now conflicts with your previous drum banging, "don't pass new laws about locking guns up, enforcing the existing laws and responsible gun ownership is all that's needed!"

Well, the kid stole a gun from his irresponsible parents and it was used to kill two people. Now, you say, "hey, screw the existing laws, it's just a teen thing and the guilt is punishment enough." Pffft.

(03-01-2016, 11:36 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: It's not Tiki and MS who are making ridiculous and hypocritical arguments here, Gunnar. It's you.

There is no law that says the parents needed to have the guns locked up in their home in Arizona, remember? It didn't matter that the boy was told not to handle it and knew better than to steal it and 'loan' it to another kid. He did it anyway.

Your argument that the parents should be prosecuted supports the need for a new law. They could not be justly prosecuted in this case because they didn't willingly and illegally transfer the gun to their minor son; their minor son willingly, stupidly, and illegally transferred it to another minor.

Two people broke existing laws here; the 15-year-old male and the 15-year-old female murderer.