(12-04-2011, 11:26 PM)Cracker Wrote: I grew up around Native Americans. They mostly stay on the res and drink. haha

(12-15-2011, 01:17 PM)IMaDick Wrote: you are still trying to avoid the fact that not all whites are successful in this country.

(12-15-2011, 11:34 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: Discrimination did persist in some places in this country well past the civil war and on into the 1960's, in some places, not a foot deep and coast to coast. For the most part in this country they were free to go do whatever they wanted, get a free education, get a job, buy a house..I grew up in Dallas and East Texas, there the "African Americans" had many more advantages than I did (white trash) They got welfare for nothng, drove better cars and dressed better than I did. Yet still acted like niggers in school and on he street and here they are today running around with their pants hanging off their ass, a mop head on their head and 3 gold teef and make out like they are down trodden by whitey that won't give them a job. As with all generalizations this one has exceptions and I know a lot of them. They are not the ones that anyone has a problem with. Same now as always, pos house with 2 cabbillacs in front, one with 22" wheels, looking for the welfare check in the mailbox

(12-15-2011, 02:53 PM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-15-2011, 11:34 AM)SIXFOOTERsez Wrote: Discrimination did persist in some places in this country well past the civil war and on into the 1960's, in some places, not a foot deep and coast to coast. For the most part in this country they were free to go do whatever they wanted, get a free education, get a job, buy a house..I grew up in Dallas and East Texas, there the "African Americans" had many more advantages than I did (white trash) They got welfare for nothng, drove better cars and dressed better than I did. Yet still acted like niggers in school and on he street and here they are today running around with their pants hanging off their ass, a mop head on their head and 3 gold teef and make out like they are down trodden by whitey that won't give them a job. As with all generalizations this one has exceptions and I know a lot of them. They are not the ones that anyone has a problem with. Same now as always, pos house with 2 cabbillacs in front, one with 22" wheels, looking for the welfare check in the mailbox

In plenty of areas people still didn't want to hire, rent to, loan money to, do business with, etc. Black people well after the 1960s. Whites as a whole in America never had to go through that, not even including a mentality born out of slavery.

All I am saying is what we are witnessing in the Black community is not some inherent flaw of dark skin, but a reasonable and even predictable ramification of their history.

You have a choice. Pretend having dark skin makes you worse at recovering from slavery then wholesale discrimination ... or understand that Blacks are having a hard time snapping out of their entrenched mentality due to their past.

(12-15-2011, 02:49 PM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-15-2011, 01:17 PM)IMaDick Wrote: you are still trying to avoid the fact that not all whites are successful in this country.

I thought it was clear that I am generalizing.

(12-15-2011, 09:05 AM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-15-2011, 08:18 AM)Cracker Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 10:35 AM)Middle Finger Wrote: OK, so let me get this straight. You are surprised that Blacks haven't been able to get as successful as Whites in two generations?

This is a big world. There are lots of countries in the world.

American slavery has been gone for a long time, about 150 years.

It only takes two generations to learn not to live like an animal.

I am talking about Blacks in America and I was not asking about how long until you don't have to live like an animal. I was asking about how long do you think it should take the stereotypical Black and poor community to be as successful as the successful White communities. As I've explained, the wholesale discrimination that took place AFTER slavery up until and (in many areas) well past civil rights legislation is more relevant than you repeating when slavery ended. Stop pretending not to see validity in the points of others.

(12-15-2011, 02:29 PM)aussiefriend Wrote:

(12-04-2011, 11:26 PM)Cracker Wrote: I grew up around Native Americans. They mostly stay on the res and drink. haha

Is that true Cracker? Do they really just drink? Aren't they proud of their culture and heritage, they are not really represented in your culture. I mean, you don't hear much about them. They are like the relative that no one talks about at family get togethers.

(12-15-2011, 02:53 PM)Middle Finger Wrote: You have a choice. Pretend having dark skin makes you worse at recovering from slavery then wholesale discrimination ... or understand that Blacks are having a hard time snapping out of their entrenched mentality due to their past.

(12-15-2011, 06:29 PM)Cracker Wrote:

(12-15-2011, 02:29 PM)aussiefriend Wrote:

(12-04-2011, 11:26 PM)Cracker Wrote: I grew up around Native Americans. They mostly stay on the res and drink. haha

Is that true Cracker? Do they really just drink? Aren't they proud of their culture and heritage, they are not really represented in your culture. I mean, you don't hear much about them. They are like the relative that no one talks about at family get togethers.

Alcoholism devasted the Native population. They have a lower tolerance, I think.

I know more about the Native culture and history than I do about black Americans because I grew up in the West. Native Americans keep their culture alive. They don't integrate as much becaue they do have reservations run by their tribes that include schools, utilities, police, etc. Most tribes self-govern. Did you know Abraham Lincoln, savior to black people, ordered the extinction of the Sioux tribe so the government could cheat them out of owed money?

I'm sure many Natives hate white people. They got in some good licks in the wars, though, and killed their share of settlers. Black people are making up for that now, I guess, killing anything that moves after dark at a car wash or convenience store or apartment complex.

(12-15-2011, 06:19 PM)Cracker Wrote:

(12-15-2011, 09:05 AM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-15-2011, 08:18 AM)Cracker Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 10:35 AM)Middle Finger Wrote: OK, so let me get this straight. You are surprised that Blacks haven't been able to get as successful as Whites in two generations?

This is a big world. There are lots of countries in the world.

American slavery has been gone for a long time, about 150 years.

It only takes two generations to learn not to live like an animal.

I am talking about Blacks in America and I was not asking about how long until you don't have to live like an animal. I was asking about how long do you think it should take the stereotypical Black and poor community to be as successful as the successful White communities. As I've explained, the wholesale discrimination that took place AFTER slavery up until and (in many areas) well past civil rights legislation is more relevant than you repeating when slavery ended. Stop pretending not to see validity in the points of others.

How do you measure success? Low crime rate? Education? Money?

Many people from different countries were discriminated against. Ask the Menonites. They just did their own thing. Why are black people any different? Black men got to vote in 1870. Women in 1920. Should all women be ghetto?

Your entire premise is flawed. You are asking a bad question. You need to ask WHY they continue to be violent and lazy when they have had freedom for over a hundred years. Northern blacks were free by 1810. Is that long enough?

(12-15-2011, 07:06 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: We have all sorts of problems with the indigenous populations here. They can't handle the alcohol. On their 'reservations' here they are completely banned from having alcohol.

The majority live in the Northern Territory or in rural areas.

(12-15-2011, 09:45 PM)Sterling Wrote:

(12-15-2011, 07:06 PM)aussiefriend Wrote: We have all sorts of problems with the indigenous populations here. They can't handle the alcohol. On their 'reservations' here they are completely banned from having alcohol.

The majority live in the Northern Territory or in rural areas.

Was this denial of alcohol to the Aboriginals, on their land, by the Crown, the white colonists -or- by their own volition?

(12-15-2011, 09:05 AM)Middle Finger Wrote:

(12-11-2011, 10:35 AM)Middle Finger Wrote: Stop pretending not to see validity in the points of others.

That was just ridiculous.

(12-15-2011, 11:49 PM)cladking Wrote: I suspect a great deal depends on where you live.

In this area there is a tendency for blacks to be smarter than whites at least in many workplaces. They aren't necessarily more successfull and when they are it's often caused by government discrimination that gives blacks first crack at many openings. Of course there's Gary, Indiana in the region and while the city has been trying to make a comeback for a whole generation now there is still an underclass holding it back and a wholly failed government run education system that saddles most individuals with a stinking albatross which will handicap them for life. All the inner city schools here are abject failures but this state is starting to force them to turn around. In my opinion it's not nearly draconian enough and could take a decade but these schools will be turned around. It's a shame our govenor won't run for president. ...I think he'd win.

(12-15-2011, 11:39 PM)Sterling Wrote: I gather what you are saying is that the immigrants, not the indigenous people, made the rules concerning booze and the natives. It was the same for our red devils, too. However, many tribes are now serving and selling hootch through their casino empires. The choice is with the tribe, NOT by whitey. With the prices they charge for their offerings, it is clear that scalping is still practiced on the reservation.