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RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - Duchess - 02-14-2019
Agreed. I would never say otherwise.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - pyropappy - 02-16-2019
Here is the proper response to school shootings.
New York Times
Quote:If an armed intruder were to enter the campus, “we’re not looking for a fair fight,” Bill Jones, the principal, said in an interview. “We’re looking at an overwhelming advantage.
Armed combat vets should be in every school; they will protect our children.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - HairOfTheDog - 03-15-2019
The racist mass shooting/killings of at least 49 people in two New Zealand mosques have been labeled as "terror attacks" by New Zealand officials.
The details are therefore posted in the 'TERRORIST ATTACKS' thread: http://mockforums.net/thread-12208-post-488009.html#pid488009
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - Duchess - 03-15-2019
(02-16-2019, 08:17 PM)pyropappy Wrote: Armed combat vets should be in every school; they will protect our children.
How about some laws being enforced and something done about nutjobs getting their hands on a weapon. Huh? How about that instead of putting ARMED COMBAT VETS IN SCHOOL WITH CHILDREN!
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - pyropappy - 03-15-2019
(03-15-2019, 12:28 PM)Duchess Wrote:(02-16-2019, 08:17 PM)pyropappy Wrote: Armed combat vets should be in every school; they will protect our children.
How about some laws being enforced and something done about nutjobs getting their hands on a weapon. Huh? How about that instead of putting ARMED COMBAT VETS IN SCHOOL WITH CHILDREN!
great point, not.
the Australian that shot up the mosque in New Zealand didn't have any guns. Guns are outlawed in New Zealand, and guns were confiscated in Australia. If one of the Muslims was armed a lot of folks would have survived.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - Duchess - 03-15-2019
(03-15-2019, 01:16 PM)pyropappy Wrote: If one of the Muslims was armed a lot of folks would have survived.
Oh blow it out your butt. I'm sick of that argument.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - pyropappy - 03-15-2019
(03-15-2019, 02:33 PM)Duchess Wrote: Oh blow it out your butt. I'm sick of that argument.
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RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - Duchess - 03-15-2019
We need something more than a good guy with a gun, Pappy, because even that's not always working.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - HairOfTheDog - 03-15-2019
Sometimes the good guy(s) with a gun stop the bad guy with a gun and minimize the deaths and injuries. That's great when it actually works out that way.
However, the element of surprise always gives the bad guy with a gun an inherent advantage, especially if the bad guy has a carefully crafted plan and is familiar with the area.
And, sometimes the good guy(s) with a gun winds up shooting innocent people in the chaos.
Also, sometimes when the cops show up, they wind up mistaking the good guy with a gun for the bad guy with a gun and shoot.
More good guys with guns and getting rid of gun-free zones is not the solution to the problem of mass shootings, in my opinion, based on reality.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - Maggot - 03-15-2019
I believe there were some gun totting Arabs there, they chased him out before he could keep going.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - MirahM - 03-15-2019
(03-15-2019, 02:33 PM)Duchess Wrote:(03-15-2019, 01:16 PM)pyropappy Wrote: If one of the Muslims was armed a lot of folks would have survived.
Oh blow it out your butt. I'm sick of that argument.
Seriously.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - Duchess - 03-16-2019
A day after mass murder, the Minister of New Zealand has confirmed that semi-automatic weapons will be banned.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - pyropappy - 03-16-2019
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RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - pyropappy - 03-16-2019
(03-16-2019, 09:55 AM)Duchess Wrote: A day after mass murder, the Minister of New Zealand has confirmed that semi-automatic weapons will be banned.
criminals don't obey laws, especially gun laws
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - Duchess - 03-16-2019
Some days I enjoy arguing. Today I just feel meh. I'm tired of this shit and I'm very sad. The youngest person slaughtered was a 3 year old. An old man greeted the shooter, welcomed him and called him brother, he was shot dead. Families filled with horror and in tears. A country grieving. I'm just so sad for them all.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - pyropappy - 03-16-2019
listen to the Republican music I posted; that will get your blood pumping.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - Maggot - 03-16-2019
One of the people at the Mosque shooting grabbed the shooter and his gun fell. Then he picked up the gun and started chasing the perp. He would have shot him but didn't know how to fire it and ended up throwing the gun at the car as it sped away. Had he not done that there would have been more death and destruction, so yes having a person trained with a gun would have stopped this before more were killed. It only makes sense. Like having an armed guard at schools today, it makes sense.
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RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - HairOfTheDog - 03-16-2019
There's not one solution to the problem of mass shootings, in my opinion.
I don't think it makes sense to suggest that having more armed parishioners/teachers/students at mosques, snyagogues, churches, and schools would lead to fewer mass shootings and/or fewer victims. More guns doesn't equal less gun violence and a safer society.
Anyway, I don't object to having vetted and trained armed guards at schools. I agree it makes sense.
However, as we've seen time and again, like at the Parkland school shooting, having armed guards doesn't always deter motivated shooters and doesn't always stop them. Armed guards is not the solution to the problem of mass shootings, but it can minimize the victims in some cases.
I think arming teachers within the schools has a lot of risks and could backfire, but I'm not totally opposed to it so long as the teachers are well trained and vetted. That wouldn't be the solution to mass shootings either though; just another possible minimizer.
In my opinion, there needs to be better enforcement of existing gun laws in order to minimize the opportunities for these unstable and violent perpetrators to continue legally acquiring guns. Universal background checks legislation should also be passed - it's common sense and long overdue.
There also needs to be better law enforcement training on how to identify and/or respond to potential threats in advance, and how to respond to active shooter incidents.
More and better drills at schools should also continue - that's helped save lives in some of the school shootings.
I'd like to see cartridge and magazine capacity limited to 10 rounds or less as well.
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - Maggot - 03-16-2019
The narrative of taking away rights from law abiding citizens is wearing thin. If a criminal wants a gun they can get one. Better security is needed in today's world. Most European and Arab schools have security the U.S. needs to adopt better policy's that protect kids at the moment. Not 20 min later and wait for the police to set up a "perimeter"
RE: ANOTHER SCHOOL/PUBLIC SHOOTING - HairOfTheDog - 03-16-2019
(03-16-2019, 08:35 PM)Maggot Wrote: The narrative of taking away rights from law abiding citizens is wearing thin. If a criminal wants a gun they can get one. Better security is needed in today's world. Most European and Arab schools have security the U.S. needs to adopt better policy's that protect kids at the moment. Not 20 min later and wait for the police to set up a "perimeter"
For me, it gets old hearing people pushing the false narrative that they have "rights" which don't actually exist in discussions about public safety and life and death.
No one in the U.S. has a "right" to buy guns without undergoing a background check. Gun ownership was specified as being "well regulated" in the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
And, no one has a "right" to own high capacity magazines or cartridges (or bump stocks, or rocket launchers, or automatic weapons). Bearing high capacity magazines is an option and preference available to gun owners in some states. It's not a right that's guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution.
U.S. citizens have a right to bear arms for self-defense, that's it. That's the Supreme Court ruling in regards to the Second Amendment.
Privileges and options are not "rights".
U.S. citizens are, on the other hand, expressly guaranteed the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness under the Declaration of Independence.
That may mean limiting options and preferences for some gun owners.
It may also mean that students and parents who consider armed guards objectionable will have to live with it, and people who object to searches at public venues will have to put up with it as well.