i know how you feel. others avoid my forum altogether over the years, it's too damn depressing. and i get more emotionally involved than i should sometimes. you never get used to or detached from this shit.
there's a list in my brain of these innocent children, that goes back for years and never leaves my memory.
and i relate, many parents do. this photo of Kyron reminds me of when my boys were little and innocently thinking of trick or treat.
this is one of the strangest investigative approaches i have ever seen. they are clearly trying to nail down every little detail they can to make a case. but this is still weird. people aren't going to remember people in a truck that far back. eyewitnesses are notoriously faulty.
Oregon Live:
Law enforcement working on the 10-week old case of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman appealed to the public today for "investigative assistance."
Standing before five blown-up photographs at the Brooks Hill Historic Church across from Skyline School, Multnomah County Chief Deputy District Attorney Rod Underhill said a witness, or witnesses, have come forward about a person, or persons associated with the white Ford F-250 extended cab pickup truck that Terri Moulton Horman had parked at the school between 8:15 and 8:45 a.m. on June 4.
Someone was seen by the truck while Kyron's stepmom was inside the school at Kyron's science fair.
Authorities are seeking to identify the person, or persons, who may have been spotted by the truck, as it was parked in front of the school gate along NW Skyline Boulevard, or later possibly moved and parked up a dirt path in front of the school's playground.
Underhill said investigators want to identify any persons who were associated with the truck – meaning, he said, "in or in immediate proximity to that truck."
Further, Underhill and sheriff's Detective Bob O'Donnell want anyone who may have seen the white Ford F-250 pickup truck that Terri Moulton Horman was driving on June 4 in the lot of two Fred Meyers – the Cornelius Pass Fred Meyer around 9 a.m. or the Beaverton Fred Meyer (store) along Southwest Walker Road about 10 a.m.
Terri Horman has told friends she went to both stores after leaving the school about 8:45 a.m. to find medication for her daughter.
Kyron, a second grader, was last seen at the school that morning. His stepmother told authorities she had taken him to the science fair, and last saw him walking towards his classroom about 8:45 a.m. He was't reported missing until that afternoon when he didn't arrive home by school bus.
Authorities also urged the public to recall if the white truck was noticed by anyone from about 10:15 a.m. to 11:30 a.m. on either Northwest Springville Road, on Skyline Road between Springville and Newberry Road, or along Old Germantown Road or Germantown Road. If so, they're asked to call investigators.
In addition, the investigative team wants everyone who parked in the school's southside parking lot to provide detectives their license plate, make, model, year and color of their vehicle.
While O'Donnell acknowledged that investigators in the days after Kyron went missing worked to determine everyone who was at the school the morning of June 4, he said that as the inquiry continued detectives developed leads that has them looking at information "through a different lens."
school is about to start and Kyron's birthday is coming up. the "Wall of Hope" for Kyron was moved Sunday to a fire station so the kids coming to school will not be upset by it.
the parents came out Friday and said Terri is going to go to jail if she doesn't come clean.
PORTLAND, Ore. — Kyron Horman’s mother reiterated her belief Friday that the stepmother of her missing son was responsible for his disappearance and warned the woman she will face consequences.
"This is not going to get any easier for you," Desiree Young said at a news conference in a statement aimed at Terri Horman.
"The police will not stop until they find Kyron. You will go to jail. And whoever has been helping you will either have to talk or they will go to jail," Young said.
Young was joined by her ex-husband Kaine Horman, the father of the missing boy. They did not provide any evidence to explain the allegations.
Terri Horman has not been arrested or charged in the disappearance, and authorities have said she is not a suspect.
This is taking so long! I know cops have to follow the rules & that can limit what they are allowed to do. Can't they get a PI in there or someone who doesn't have the same restraints that LEO's have? I hope this isn't another Jon Benet Ramsey like case.
well with JonBenet, they had a body and some evidence right away, and still never took it to trial.
in this case i believe the authorities are waiting for the Grand Jury to hand down an indictment. or not. they would prefer a body or some evidence the child is dead other than circumstantial to take this to trial and win. there is nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence, and cases are won with it. but the more ducks in a row, the better for prosecutors.
today was first day of school. and Thursday is his birthday.
i wish this child could be found and brought home to give his parents some starting point to accept whatever the reality is.
the family had a big birthday party for Kyron. i wonder if he is alive and knew it was his day?
the parents will be on oprah thursday sept. 16.
PORTLAND, Ore. The birthday boy is still missing, but members of Kyron Horman's family are still holding parties to mark his eighth birthday anyway.
CBS affiliate KOIN reports that his biological mother, Desiree Young, hosted a gathering with cake and ice cream Thursday night at a church in Medford. Kaine Horman, his father, is hosting a party Sunday at a local restaurant.
The boy's birthday was Thursday.
Kaine Horman, told The Oregonian he's doing something Kyron loves, regardless of where his son is.
his mother said that this week marked a difficult time for her, and she even contemplated whether or not a birthday party was the right thing to do.
"I didn't want him to see that we didn't think about his birthday or it went by and it just didn't happen," explained Young to KOIN. "I want him to see that we still love him and care
PORTLAND, Ore. - A new task force will be formed to focus the investigation into the disappearance of 8-year-old Kyron Horman to specific areas and better use police resources, Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton said Wednesday.
Staton said during the afternoon news conference that while the investigation will be narrower, he said it is not scaling back, although he used similar language in his statement.
“We threw everything we possibly could at this (at the beginning of the investigation) because it involved a school and it involved a child,” he said. “We’ve reached a point over the course of this investigation … the information we’ve gathered, resources we’ve dedicated to this, we started looking at every possibility – we’ve narrowed it down to a scope now that is more definitive; it is time to scale this down so that you have, what I would consider, a task force.”
The task force will contain about eight to 10 detectives from various agencies and the move to create that task force was to continue the investigation in a “fiscally responsible” way.
He said the new task force will be officially formed at the end of the week or by earlier next week.
So far the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office has spent $1,044,000 investigating the disappearance of the Skyline School student, Staton said.
He said the move to a task force will enable him to release detectives to their normal duties. He said the investigation has significantly impacted the resources of the sheriff’s office.
“The commitment we have to the community has suffered because of what has been dedicated and how we’ve worked this investigation fluidly,” he said.
He said he wants the task force to contain detectives who have been on the case since the beginning.
When asked whether people would be shocked when this case comes to its conclusion Staton said, “I think that there will be things that come out of this investigation that will surprise you. That you’ll think about later on after it’s over. These are things I will tell you, when you ask me about the stresses that my staff is under and the other detectives and agency representatives are under, is that we have a knowledge of things that we don’t want to know about. ... "We have knowledge of things we wished we didn't."
Staton was clearly upset when he was talking about that and was upset when he was talking about how hard it has been on investigators over the last 15 weeks, saying they have spent a lot of time away from their own families.
The sheriff wasn't fully prepared to talk about the new task force but during a Portland Business Alliance breakfast he let two words slip: task force, which led to Wednesday's news conference to explain what he meant by that.
Monday marked a benchmark in the Kyron Horman case: His name was removed from Skyline School's roster.
The change is part of Portland Public Schools policy on students absent for 10 days.
"It's a standard protocol for any student absent 10 days in a row," said Matt Shelby, spokesman for the district. "It's not something that the school or the district was looking forward to."
Although Kyron's name was removed, his presence was felt districtwide Monday. For the first time this school year, automated calls were made in Portland, alerting parents or guardians of absent students.
I think that's a very curious statement to be making. What could he possibly mean. Damnit. Just throw that out there & not elaborate makes me more curious than ever.
I think that's a very curious statement to be making. What could he possibly mean. Damnit. Just throw that out there & not elaborate makes me more curious than ever.
i consider it quite unprofessional to put out a "teaser" like it was some serial TV program and not a life or death matter. if you have something of evidentiary value and in the public interest, spill it. if not, shut up and keep your cards and evidence close to the vest until you indict/arrest.
that was drama queen bullshit. so was the weeping. NOT the behavior of a pro.
that does not mean police don't have feelings. or shouldn't show them. sometimes it is appropriate. game-playing with semantics is not.
if Kyron were alive, terri would speak to save her ass. he's not. the parents sadly live in la la land. i wish his body would be found so there could be an end to this. poor kid was caught in a soap opera.
i'd like to know why terri hasn't been charged on the attempt to hire a hitman to off her husband. i know it's about keeping her off balance with that hanging over her head. but the DA wants more to charge her with...like murder. and the DA wants to WIN in court. so it's hurry up and wait for probable cause and the grand jury.
CBS/ AP) An emotional Desiree Young told a Friday news conference she hopes the $50,000 reward for finding Kyron Horman, who would be 8 now and was 7 when he vanished, can be upped to $350,000. That's the amount Kyron's stepmother, Terri Horman, has reportedly paid a Portland defense attorney.
Young says she is confident Kyron is still alive and says, "There is someone out there that has him."
"I don't know what else to do," she said, choking up. "It's been four months now, and Kyron is still not home."
"We want Kyron home and we want him home right now," she continued, "and I want someone in Terri's circle to come forward with information."
"Money is a motivator," she added, "and if that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. I want my son home. This is unacceptable."
Kyron has been missing since June 4, when he disappeared after a science fair at his elementary school. Exhaustive searches followed.
Terri Horman has not been charged with a crime, but the investigation into Kyron's disappearance has centered around her. She was the last person known to have seen him. She says she left him at the science fair.
Both she and her defense lawyer have repeatedly declined to comment.
I understand her hopefulness. I think she needs that in order to get up everyday. It might be helping to keep her sane. I saw her interviewed & she has a lot of guilt, she's not stupid and surely has thought about the reality of the situation. I can't imagine what her & others go through, I don't have anything to compare it to. It must be just awful.
something is up, they searched here last weekend again, and plan to go back this weekend.
Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office hopes to carry out another search of areas of Sauvie Island next weekend in hopes of finding Kyron Horman, who disappeared four months ago.
“It depends on the weather and who we can get,” said Lt. Mary Lindstrand, spokeswoman for the sheriff’s office. “Most of the resources on the weekend are volunteers.”
On Saturday, nearly 170 people, including searchers on foot, ATVs, horseback and with dogs, scoured sections of Sauvie Island and then more than 110 people returned for a new search effort on Sunday. The searchers came from multiple agencies and nonprofit groups from Clark County to Marion and Yamhill counties.
The effort focused on certain areas, including the central part of the island, west of Northwest Reeder Road. No divers were used and buildings were not searched, Lindstrand said. Mainly, crews covered grasslands and areas thick with vegetation, such as blackberry bushes.
Lindstrand said the dog teams found coyote and deer bones but no sign of the boy, whose eighth birthday was Sept. 9.
“They didn’t find Kyron,” she said.
Besides the search effort, the sheriff’s office is finalizing the task force that will be in charge of the investigation. Lindstrand said several agencies have agreed to participate but that several others had declined, citing fiscal and personnel concerns.
“It’s really tight right now,” Lindstrand said.
Multnomah County will devote two detectives to the investigation. Lindstrand said the sheriff’s office will announce the makeup of the task force when it’s finalized, which she hopes is soon.
What's with all the innuendo? She's not the first to imply something, another person said they knew things that we didn't. I don't like it when they do that. I think about that kid sometimes when I'm going about my life. How could that child be enough of a threat that someone would want to get rid of him. Jesus.
Terri Horman willing to agree to immediate divorce, with delay in settling custody to avoid self-incrimination
October 07, 2010
The Oregonian
Terri Moulton Horman and Kaine Horman met in family law court for the first time today since Kaine Horman filed for divorce and obtained a restraining order against his wife.
Terri Horman's divorce attorney, Peter Bunch, asked the judge to hold the divorce proceedings in abatement while the criminal inquiry proceeds, but Kaine Horman's attorney is fighting any delay.
Bunch argued that a parallel civil divorce case, while the criminal investigation proceeds into Kyron's disappearance from Skyline School, would jeopardize Terri Horman's Fifth Amendment rights not to incriminate herself.
"Everything at issue in the divorce is fodder for the state in its forging of additional links in its evidence," Bunch said. "Virtually anything she says can be used by the state....The state has the ability to obtain every single bit of information that is produced in this case and that is outside the bounds of what it could do were this proceeding not occurring."
Further, Bunch argued that if the divorce proceedings were allowed to proceed, he'd instruct Terri Horman to invoke her Fifth Amendment rights not to incriminate herself.
"There's no doubt police will use what she says if she doesn't," Bunch told the judge.
Bunch also contends he'd be at a major disadvantage because the state and police aren't sharing their investigative material, not even allowing them to obtain a copy of a 9-1-1 call Terri Horman made in December.
"You've got Mr. Horman, who is getting regularly briefed by police," Bunch said. "I'm at a complete and utter disadvantage in this divorce case."
Stephen Houze, Terri's criminal defense attorney, said they have sent subpoenas to depose the lead criminal investigator in Kyron's disappearance, Robert O'Donnell, and Rudy Sanchez, the landscaper investigators say was approached by Terri Horman to carry out a murder-for-hire plot against her husband.
Houze said he expects the district attorney's office to thwart that discovery. And if either side can't proceed with discovery, Houze argued that the civil case couldn't practically proceed.
Houze suggested the filing of the divorce case by Kaine Horman represents an attempt by the state to use the civil process to gain discovery for the ongoing criminal inquiry. "There can be no doubt that one of the purposes to be served by discovery is to illicit information by Ms. Horman that would be directly channelled to police,'' Houze argued.
Terri Horman is willing to stipulate to an immediate divorce, while asking the court to delay decisions on custody and parenting time for at least two years.
Yet, if a divorce abatement is granted, Bunch said he'd asked the court to alter the current "no parenting time" restriction Terri Horman faces to allow some type of supervised, reasonable contact between Terri Horman and her daughter, Kiara.
"She's the primary parent. That child needs to see her," Bunch said. "Certainly Ms. Horman misses her child and would like to see her. Her complete primary focus is her relationship with her daughter."
Kaine Horman's divorce lawyer, Laura Rackner, hasn't spoken yet this morning. She is expected to also argue for Terri Moulton Horman to disclose the source of her fees for high-profile criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.
Kyron has been missing for four months. He was last seen at Skyline School early June 4 when his stepmom took him to school for a science fair. His stepmom Terri Moulton Horman is the last person to have seen Kyron that morning.
Although law enforcement has not publicly named a suspect, investigators have been intently focused on Terri Horman.
Kaine Horman filed for divorce June 28, two days after investigators informed him of an alleged murder-for-hire plot that his wife had discussed with a landscaper to kill him about six months before Kyron's disappearance.
Kaine Horman left their rural Northwest Portland home immediately, but has since forced his estranged wife out of the home. Kaine has sole custody currently of their daughter.
After a break, Kaine Horman's divorce lawyer argued that the divorce proceedings need to move forward.
Rackner said Terri Horman's request to delay the civil divorce case is not in the children's best interest, but "it's about her concerns and what she wants for herself."
She cautioned the proceeding could be delayed indefinitely, which would not provide stability for the children. Rackner referred to both Kiara, the couple's 22-month-old daughter, and Kyron.
"In this case, we don't even have an indictment, so we don't even have a limit as to how long this can go on," Rackner argued.
Rackner's assisting attorney, Alex Nowlin, said they never indicated they'll be compelling testimony from Terri Horman.
"The Fifth Amendment does not give the right to delay a court proceeding because she's unwilling to testify," Nowlin said.
Terri Horman, dressed in a blue suit, sat between her two attorneys, while Kaine, wearing a white dress shirt and trousers, sat at the other end of a table, besides his two divorce attorneys. They avoided eye contact throughout.
The hearing broke at 11:18 pm. Judge Keith Meisenheimer said he'd rule on the motion to delay the proceeding at 1:30 p.m.
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