Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[jcat]

That friend #1 story doesn't make any sense what so ever. She said she was waiting for Johnny to pick her up to take her to the house to hang out?? Yet when they don't pick up the phone she gets in a car and drives over there,,why not just drive there in the first place??? She really screwed herself making that wild BS story up. And she seen the place was ransacked how threw the slit it the shades?? I doubt it she was either there or was told by the people that were.

[pinkyfloyd]

That friend #1 story doesn't make any sense what so ever. She said she was waiting for Johnny to pick her up to take her to the house to hang out?? Yet when they don't pick up the phone she gets in a car and drives over there,,why not just drive there in the first place??? She really screwed herself making that wild BS story up. And she seen the place was ransacked how threw the slit it the shades?? I doubt it she was either there or was told by the people that were.

friend #1 (tiffany) sounds pretty normal on 911 call number 2. doesn't sound like she's at all involved.

-pink

[jcat]

That friend #1 story doesn't make any sense what so ever. She said she was waiting for Johnny to pick her up to take her to the house to hang out?? Yet when they don't pick up the phone she gets in a car and drives over there,,why not just drive there in the first place??? She really screwed herself making that wild BS story up. And she seen the place was ransacked how threw the slit it the shades?? I doubt it she was either there or was told by the people that were.

friend #1 (tiffany) sounds pretty normal on 911 call number 2. doesn't sound like she's at all involved.

-pink

#2 CALL is the mom again. Tiffany waited 2 hours to call anyone !!

[pinkyfloyd]

#2 CALL is the mom again. Tiffany waited 2 hours to call anyone !!

wrong.

if you listen to the entire context of both 911 calls (link provided above), during call #2, the mom puts tiffany on the phone with the 911 operator. yes the call was placed by the mom, however tiffany speaks for at least a minute or so at the end of the call after the mom hands her the phone.

listen for yourself.

-pink

[jcat]

tiff is way to clam i would be flipping out and or less calm

[BlueTiki]

So . . .

Anyone have a guess on the ages, gender and number of the killers?

[jcat]

20's seem like female and male 2-3

[pinkyfloyd]

So . . .

Anyone have a guess on the ages, gender and number of the killers?

if my theory holds true, two caucasian, middle-aged males (35-40).

-pink

[pinkyfloyd]

tiff is way to clam i would be flipping out and or less calm

flipping out why? at this point your two friends simply are not answering their cell phones.

plus in all honesty it's a friday night/saturday morning at 1:00am or so, there's a good chance she's half-drunk or high.

-pink

[DCTim]

tiff is way to clam i would be flipping out and or less calm

flipping out why? at this point your two friends simply are not answering their cell phones.

plus in all honesty it's a friday night/saturday morning at 1:00am or so, there's a good chance she's half-drunk or high.

-pink

No, it was Sunday night/early Monday morning.

[pinkyfloyd]

No, it was Sunday night/early Monday morning.

my bad.

i guess my brain was just making that incorrect assumption based on the fact that everyone was seemingly getting ready to party. i seem to have forgotten that sort of activity can occur on any night of the week.

-pink

[DCTim]

In reading some of the posts from other sites, it seems that there may have been a crazy ex in Lisa's life, based on comments from someone who knew her. That, plus the fact that she was found topless (as reported on Nancy Grace) suggests that she may have been the target here and not so much Johnny.

That's causing me to rethink Pink's theory, which I was also in agreement with.

[jcat]

but she heard what went on in the back ground of the phone ? Holland is a very nice area and to hear that and no answers sends red flags. and why didnt see just drive on there to begin with. if she went to the store. it just fishy cause there no store open like that late in this area

[jcat]

I heard that to that lisa had a crazy ex 2 in the local gossip

[jcat]

I heard that to that lisa had a crazy ex 2 in the local gossip

and that he might been locked up and just got out

[pinkyfloyd]

and that he might been locked up and just got out

there's no way this was done by one person.

if it's true lisa was topless, there was a good chance she was changing or showering. johnny had just picked her up from work.

also if a crazy ex of lisa's was involved, he'd already be dead, in custody, or have his wanted poster up on every national news source in the country.

-pink

[DCTim]

but she heard what went on in the back ground of the phone ? Holland is a very nice area and to hear that and no answers sends red flags. and why didnt see just drive on there to begin with. if she went to the store. it just fishy cause there no store open like that late in this area

"Store" could mean simply a 7-11 to buy cigarettes and/or beer, not necessarily Target or something like that.

[DCTim]

and that he might been locked up and just got out

there's no way this was done by one person.

if it's true lisa was topless, there was a good chance she was changing or showering. johnny had just picked her up from work.

-pink

Possible. But didn't we read somewhere that Johnny and Lisa were going out together to pick up the friend (Tiffany? Sharita?) Lisa was found with her pants on, but no top.

[jcat]

but there is only 1 gas station open that late and most ghetto marts close at 11 around here without driving to one

[pinkyfloyd]

"Store" could mean simply a 7-11 to buy cigarettes and/or beer, not necessarily Target or something like that.

my sentiments exactly, there are 24-hour carry-outs all over that general area.

-pink