(02-06-2011, 02:26 PM)Jane Wrote: ALL good points, but I'm a bit confused. Do you think the mother knows what happened? You mention "turning the tables on T"
of course the mother knows what happened. her beloved fuckup of a son was mixed up in a seriously stinky ball of shit, and he paid the ultimate price for his refusal to extricate himself from said ball of shit. and not only that, he took down an apparently otherwise good seed with him.
doesn't make her any happier about the situation, or miss him more. but it will, in the long run, make it easier to deal with.
-pink
I am not sure MOM has the capcity to care about a good seed, Lisa, paying "the price" in this mess. Everything about her seems self centered and the effect her poor choices in life have had on her son seem are far from her review.
+ 1000
Reading her FB post about her husband, cousin and herself, all being dehydrated (in response to the murder of her son) smacked of narcissism.
just as a point of interest...there are 27 people reading this thread at this moment. members and guests. that is similar to when Zahra Baker and Petit cases were being discussed. and it's interesting to me because this is a young site.
(02-06-2011, 05:00 PM)Unknown Wrote: IMO: Newer white econ van seen outside the house a day or two before, neighbors say. Perps cut the telephone alarm either the night of the killings or prior days. Go in through the garage into the kitchen where johnny and Lisa are. Johnny grabs a knife, Lisa freaks out and runs down the hall to the front of the house and up the stairs possibly hitting the alarm. She runs into her room and slams the door, then the perp kicks or rams through the door and pulls her down the stairs buy her hair while Lisa reaches up and digs her nails into the arm or face of the perp. In the mean time 2 perps try to over take johnny, but johnny get a few licks in with the knife. blood everywhere in the kitchen (guy who had to clean it up says: There was a lot of blood in there. They duct tape Johnny up and subdue Lisa. They begin torturing them buy asphyxiation to get what information they want. The perps begin rumbling through the house finding anything that points to drugs, money, and security systems to remove any recordings. The lighter and the Baggies were probably pulled out of Johnnys pocket while bounded looking for cash. Lisa begins to tell them anything they need to know. Unfortunately there's nothing of real value they can take other then two $20 dollar bills from a coin jar. The Iraq currency is also something that she probably told them. That her dad had made investments into the dinar.
it's the simple fact that many of us remember when the Kuwait dinar declined to a valuation of 10 US cents after the invasion by Iraq. However, since January 5, 2003, the previous weighted currency basket peg was switched to a higher valuation of 0.29963 dinar. This translates into .34 per 1 dinar, the worlds highest valued currency. Translating this into an exchange rate transaction, a ,000 initial investment around the Gulf War would yield the investor a 3,240% rate of return of 4,000. The same expectations loom over the Iraq economy. Rich in crude exports and likely to remain under the guidance of the US, the country is expected to make a rebound and be catapulted into the global economic arena. The improvement and expansion are expected to be reflected in the underlying currency, creating instant profits for the dinar speculator. If you invest a $1000.00 us it could be worth up to Millions.
Re: Pargraph #1 - You said, "IMO" yet this also sounds like inside info. This sounds more like I would expect it have gone down - with a serious fight. Horrible.
it IS ok to speculate about how it went down as long as it's clear it's just the poster's OPINION.
i don't verify people who say they are related to cases. but i will tell you all this...in other cases i have had principals, parties and relatives here reading and even posting.
shit i even had Homeland Security here on one case. i thought i was going to the Federal pen for sure!
i am very mindful to keep what i say accurate.
(02-06-2011, 04:04 PM)OhioGuy Wrote: First off, since this is my first post I might ramble a little bit to include all my thoughts.
(02-06-2011, 01:25 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote:
(02-06-2011, 01:22 PM)Jane Wrote: Sadly, I have to agree with you on this. (the above area in bold)
my statement comes not from conjecture but directly from talking to people who live there today, as we speak.
my brother's home is less than five miles from the scene. parent's home less than eight. both of those homes have high-end security systems, neither of them were ever activated at night prior to this crime, neither of them are activated at night now as a result of it.
-pink
Your brothers house is less then 5 miles from the scene? You parents less than 8? Congrats. My house is about 300 YARDS from the scene. We've always had an alarm system - we've always used said alarm system. We've always locked our doors. Right now I'm off at college, but when I am at home I drive by this house EVERYDAY and everytime I go somewhere.
And to the people who keep calling this neighborhood upscale or thinking this is a rich neighborhood, it is not. Of course there might be a few more well off than others, I would not call this a 'rich' neighborhood.
Pinky - your 'theory' is a pretty bad theory. You keep saying that it has not been proven wrong, but neither have any other theories. Right now, your theory makes the least amount of sense. I doubt a 21 year old was in deep enough shit to have someone call in a professional hit from a big city, and then saying that they are sitting on a beach somewhere now - this kind of stuff doesn't happen in Toledo. I also think it is you who has said a few times that no one in Toledo can keep a secret, so if there was any info it would have been leaked; I doubt that. Just because no info has been leaked does not mean that LE has no info. And to say that this case has been put into "long-term storage" already is ignorant. It was a close family member (I believe) who said that Mr. Z was scheduled for a poly test tomorrow. They just did a search warrant on Thursday and got some more evidence/DNA. It hasn't even been a WEEK yet. They are still gathering facts and interviewing people. Your theory makes absolutely 0 sense.
Thank you Ohio guy, my few posts from earlier that Pink has ruled as false conjecture are absolutely true and not rumors. One yes a family member that is on Lisa's side has confirmed that it was a very, violent crime scene with evidence of a massive struggle and infact, YES a great deal of DNA has been collected, A Lot from Lisa's body alone. It is my real and not imagined knowledge from that family member that the likelihood is that this was pre-meditated, the perps were known and it was indeed personal. I also notice all the comments regarding the lack of statement from Lisa's family, this is not true. Her uncle has been on local and national news and was on Nancy Grace on Friday night speaking on behalf of the Straub family. Her parents are handling this in a way much different from the Clarke's because they are more focused on their daughter's loss and ensuring that their opinions, accusations or statements do not interfere with the LE investigation. Whereas not to be cruel to a woman in grief, all JC's moms ranting appears a little more self-serving than supportive of LE and the investigation. The Straub family are very kind and educated people who realize it is better to stay quiet and let LE do their job. LS's uncle was chosen to speak because he has been the Rossford Fire Chief for 12 years and is familiar with and respective of the investigation process. So her family has not remained quiet, they have just handled it in a prudent and respectful manner. They respect and have trust in LE and are confident this case will be solved. They have done the right thing, fully cooperated with police and instead of trying to get publicity for their pain, remained silent and cooperative in ensuring that the killer(S) of these two young people be brought to justice. Lisa's family is very loving and are great people, I feel that needed to be stated due to the many inquiries into "where they are".... when in fact, her uncle Jim Verbosky has been all over the media trying to do everything in his power to catch these evil criminals.
It's okay. This won't be the last time you see something like that in Mock. When a forum only has a couple rules, shit happens. Provocative statements are made daily here & that's alright. Things get said & we move on.
(02-06-2011, 05:24 PM)brett_ashley Wrote: Similar to another poster today, my parents are original homeowners in the neighborhood where this occurred and live only a few blocks away. They do not personally know the families involved, however, and I came across this thread because my parents have relied primarily on the local newspaper for information about this awful crime -- and the local newspaper coverage has given them the impression that it is a "robbery gone bad". Without much additional details, they were in fact fearful that this might be a random and violent gang of robbers with economic motivations. My parents are older retirees and perhaps not representative of the neighborhood population, but to say that locals are unaffected by this crime is probably not wholly accurate. Especially given what the Unknown person just posted.
To contextualize a bit more, the neighborhood was a great place to grow up and while certainly not at the highest end of the area's socioeconomic distribution, most residents are professionals/white collar workers and share middle/upper middle class values. There are many families with small children, and actually the Longacre house backyard is adjacent to a small church and a public grade school to which kids in the neighborhood walk every day. It is not a small town nor crime-free, though, and my family is also careful to lock doors, set alarms, and maintain good outside lighting. There were a rash of home robberies (mostly electronics) a year or so ago in an adjacent neighborhood but certainly nothing of this scale.
One other point I'd like to make: again, although I do not know the victims or their families, it’s my opinion that no one deserved to suffer what happened to them – especially kids with their lives ahead of them. I’ve not ever committed a felony or even a misdemeanor, but I was not raised by a mother with a lengthy record herself. That does not excuse criminal conduct, but nor does it devalue an individual’s worth to the point of suggesting that John or Lisa will not be missed or this terrible crime will disappear quickly from memory -- that strikes me as needlessly malicious.
(02-06-2011, 05:46 PM)Lady Cop Wrote: it IS ok to speculate about how it went down as long as it's clear it's just the poster's OPINION.
i don't verify people who say they are related to cases. but i will tell you all this...in other cases i have had principals, parties and relatives here reading and even posting.
shit i even had Homeland Security here on one case. i thought i was going to the Federal pen for sure!
i am very mindful to keep what i say accurate.
Add a good disclaimer to the site. "The views and opinions expressed on this site belong to the individual posters and are not those of the site owner, etc, etc, etc..."
If the alarm was messed with before the incident (wires cut) wouldn't the alarm company or police know this and send someone to the house? It just seems like common sense to me.
(02-06-2011, 04:04 PM)OhioGuy Wrote: First off, since this is my first post I might ramble a little bit to include all my thoughts.
(02-06-2011, 01:25 PM)pinkyfloyd Wrote:
(02-06-2011, 01:22 PM)Jane Wrote: Sadly, I have to agree with you on this. (the above area in bold)
my statement comes not from conjecture but directly from talking to people who live there today, as we speak.
my brother's home is less than five miles from the scene. parent's home less than eight. both of those homes have high-end security systems, neither of them were ever activated at night prior to this crime, neither of them are activated at night now as a result of it.
-pink
Your brothers house is less then 5 miles from the scene? You parents less than 8? Congrats. My house is about 300 YARDS from the scene. We've always had an alarm system - we've always used said alarm system. We've always locked our doors. Right now I'm off at college, but when I am at home I drive by this house EVERYDAY and everytime I go somewhere.
And to the people who keep calling this neighborhood upscale or thinking this is a rich neighborhood, it is not. Of course there might be a few more well off than others, I would not call this a 'rich' neighborhood.
Pinky - your 'theory' is a pretty bad theory. You keep saying that it has not been proven wrong, but neither have any other theories. Right now, your theory makes the least amount of sense. I doubt a 21 year old was in deep enough shit to have someone call in a professional hit from a big city, and then saying that they are sitting on a beach somewhere now - this kind of stuff doesn't happen in Toledo. I also think it is you who has said a few times that no one in Toledo can keep a secret, so if there was any info it would have been leaked; I doubt that. Just because no info has been leaked does not mean that LE has no info. And to say that this case has been put into "long-term storage" already is ignorant. It was a close family member (I believe) who said that Mr. Z was scheduled for a poly test tomorrow. They just did a search warrant on Thursday and got some more evidence/DNA. It hasn't even been a WEEK yet. They are still gathering facts and interviewing people. Your theory makes absolutely 0 sense.
Thank you Ohio guy, my few posts from earlier that Pink has ruled as false conjecture are absolutely true and not rumors. One yes a family member that is on Lisa's side has confirmed that it was a very, violent crime scene with evidence of a massive struggle and infact, YES a great deal of DNA has been collected, A Lot from Lisa's body alone. It is my real and not imagined knowledge from that family member that the likelihood is that this was pre-meditated, the perps were known and it was indeed personal. I also notice all the comments regarding the lack of statement from Lisa's family, this is not true. Her uncle has been on local and national news and was on Nancy Grace on Friday night speaking on behalf of the Straub family. Her parents are handling this in a way much different from the Clarke's because they are more focused on their daughter's loss and ensuring that their opinions, accusations or statements do not interfere with the LE investigation. Whereas not to be cruel to a woman in grief, all JC's moms ranting appears a little more self-serving than supportive of LE and the investigation. The Straub family are very kind and educated people who realize it is better to stay quiet and let LE do their job. LS's uncle was chosen to speak because he has been the Rossford Fire Chief for 12 years and is familiar with and respective of the investigation process. So her family has not remained quiet, they have just handled it in a prudent and respectful manner. They respect and have trust in LE and are confident this case will be solved. They have done the right thing, fully cooperated with police and instead of trying to get publicity for their pain, remained silent and cooperative in ensuring that the killer(S) of these two young people be brought to justice. Lisa's family is very loving and are great people, I feel that needed to be stated due to the many inquiries into "where they are".... when in fact, her uncle Jim Verbosky has been all over the media trying to do everything in his power to catch these evil criminals.
So, the appearances about the kind of family that Lisa came from are true. Do you happen to know if I am right about Johhny NOT living there? I cannot imagine they would have allowed it, for several reasons.
It's so sad. The truth is that even good families can't protect their kids from bad judgement. Lisa was young, Johnny probably had charm, and meeting him cost her her life.
It's okay. This won't be the last time you see something like that in Mock. When a forum only has a couple rules, shit happens. Provocative statements are made daily here & that's alright. Things get said & we move on.
No sweat. I post at a place called the Proxy Whore Refuge. I'll let you imagine what goes on there.
(02-06-2011, 11:18 AM)Paul Eaze Wrote: Listening to the full 911 recordings, Mom says something very curious to me around the 6 or 7 minute mark; she says something to the effect that she wants the police to go out to the house to find out who "abducted" her son and "robbed him". At the point in time she says this, how would she have any idea what exactly happened to her son?
I don't know if Mom's involved, or not, but she clearly is a whack-job, & knew what all her son was involved in, therefore panicking over him maybe being robbed? She's a theif, he's a thief, so it's something she automatically thought about?
i actually do agree that she's a bit of a whack-job, and you couple this with her recently losing a son and to me it's a wonder that she can even get out of bed in the morning. if she currently even can.
-pink
The fake crying. The attention-seeking behavior. The weird over-reacting 911 calls. I'm suspicious of her odd behavior. I don't know if she was directly involved or not, but I believe she knows a lot more about what happened to her son than she is letting on.
(02-06-2011, 02:34 PM)browntabby1226 Wrote: Is that police record on the mother from 1970? Maybe she was a teen then and straightened her life out.Anything more recent other than order of protection against her.
I think that's her dob. Maytee lists that date as her dob on her fb page.
(02-06-2011, 05:24 PM)brett_ashley Wrote: Similar to another poster today, my parents are original homeowners in the neighborhood where this occurred and live only a few blocks away. They do not personally know the families involved, however, and I came across this thread because my parents have relied primarily on the local newspaper for information about this awful crime -- and the local newspaper coverage has given them the impression that it is a "robbery gone bad". Without much additional details, they were in fact fearful that this might be a random and violent gang of robbers with economic motivations. My parents are older retirees and perhaps not representative of the neighborhood population, but to say that locals are unaffected by this crime is probably not wholly accurate. Especially given what the Unknown person just posted.
To contextualize a bit more, the neighborhood was a great place to grow up and while certainly not at the highest end of the area's socioeconomic distribution, most residents are professionals/white collar workers and share middle/upper middle class values. There are many families with small children, and actually the Longacre house backyard is adjacent to a small church and a public grade school to which kids in the neighborhood walk every day. It is not a small town nor crime-free, though, and my family is also careful to lock doors, set alarms, and maintain good outside lighting. There were a rash of home robberies (mostly electronics) a year or so ago in an adjacent neighborhood but certainly nothing of this scale.
One other point I'd like to make: again, although I do not know the victims or their families, it’s my opinion that no one deserved to suffer what happened to them – especially kids with their lives ahead of them. I’ve not ever committed a felony or even a misdemeanor, but I was not raised by a mother with a lengthy record herself. That does not excuse criminal conduct, but nor does it devalue an individual’s worth to the point of suggesting that John or Lisa will not be missed or this terrible crime will disappear quickly from memory -- that strikes me as needlessly malicious.
Jeez, I keep replying to this post and my connection goes down when I hit reply.
Brett, thank you for the insights about the neighborhood. IMO, the type of people that Johnny hung around with may have viewed this as a "rich" neighborhood. Rich is relative. If the assertions about a safe are correct and if Johnny's acquaintances got wind of it, they may thought there was something there worth stealing.
No way would I think that the people of the neighborhood wouldn't be unnerved by such a terrible event. Just the thought of these psychopaths having been in their vicinity would shatter any sense of safety.
Truman Capote wrote "In Cold Blood" a book later made into a movie with Robert Blake as one of the killers, who heard of a family that had money hidden away in their home. He heard this inviting romour while he was an inmate in prison and later executed all of the members of peaceful hardworking family in something that was only gonna be a "robbery". I think this crime here in Ohio is more sinister and personal but no less intrigued by its circumstances as it unfolds.
Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered
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