Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[onefortheroad]

If it was just a breaking and entering burglary, why not do it while no one was home? And why not take what was available once it all went down? Imo, it has to be drug related. Drugs and drug money. Which the Straubs would know nothing about. It's possilble that Johnny had a safe, or a lock box of some kind. And he kept it with him. Those holes in the walls of the master bedroom closet? Was that in the news, or just spread around on the internet.

And how much of what LE thinks they know came from Maytee? She is a wild card for sure. And 100% hooked into AP and TW. Going even so far as to bring up DC's murder and the individual that was convicted, J.J.

As far his friends? They seem to fall into two categories. The one's with no criminal records for drugs and robbery, and the ones that come from a long line of repeat offenders. Especially when it comes to aggravated trafficking of heroin and crack cocaine.

And these drug-related criminal records extend into Johnny's extended family also. I'm pretty sure I have found the "truck load of heroin" bust that went federal (1999). And it involved at least one member of JC's family on his mother's side. And that individual is now dead. I posted a link to his memorial fb page ages ago.

So yeah, it would be great to know what the motive was. But my bet is on drugs and drug money. And JC's friends are not excluded because they made a post on legacy or got a tatoo, as touching as it seems, I'm just not comfortable with giving them a pass yet.

The only way TW would be involved, imo, was if it was somehow related to DC's murder. I've known plenty of young ladies like TW, most are locked-up, more often than not. She is street smart, no doubt about it, in my mind. What I call a survivalist. At whatever the cost. DC had a lot of homies. A lot. He was well loved by members of his community. Which included friends of Johnny Clarke.

Was JC an informant? Was he working it to his advantage while serving probation? Personally, I just don't see it. I did post about JC doing minimum security time in London, Ohio before the latest revelation from Maytee and AG. But I just don't see that as being serious enough to revolve into what happened on Longacre Lane.

The End

RIP Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub

Great post, Adub, and I agree with most of what you've said. The scales and removed vents point to drugs, and I think it was timed deliberately so that Johnny would be there. Your point about the tributes is a good one; I haven't bought into them 100% but they have swayed me, which is probably premature given all the gang connections.

I remain convinced that TW was involved, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there was some connection to DC that we're not yet aware of, especially after some of the stuff that came out recently. I wonder what it was about him that inspired so much love and respect

[WolfHouse]

I read the newspaper report of TW's boyfriend's death but I can
not figure out all the nuances .... who...why....how the people
were connected.....I see posts here that say 'friends' setting up
friends, and friends shooting friends and I still have not put it all
together. Would someone mind explaining the 'story' with all
its 'this gang' 'that gang' if applicable, details? Thanks ahead
of time.

[NightOwl]

Thoughts running around in my mind.

Why has no one discussed how 'multiple' people got in and out of
the street and driveway without anyone seeing anything?

We are frustrated. It is unimaginable how the Straub's must feel. I
think the Clarke's know who did it and possibly why but telling the
truth would incriminate someone or put someone at risk.

WolfHouse - Adub mentioned already 3 could have showed up in one car - they could have hid a car near that school and jumped a fence - who knows. I think it's a loner freak found out the Straub's would be away for 2 weeks - couldn't kill them over at Maytee's but, could at the Straub's.

Yes, I think it is unimaginable how the Straub's feel and the Clarke's.

I beg to disagree with you, I believe if Maytee knew who killed her Son she would never conceal it.

[Adub]

I read the newspaper report of TW's boyfriend's death but I can
not figure out all the nuances .... who...why....how the people
were connected.....I see posts here that say 'friends' setting up
friends, and friends shooting friends and I still have not put it all
together. Would someone mind explaining the 'story' with all
its 'this gang' 'that gang' if applicable, details? Thanks ahead
of time.

The only thing I know for a fact is that the RIP 50 ckal fb photo used on a fb wall, included one individual that got tattoed in rembrance of JC and that individual posted on legacy that he and Johnny were childhood friends. And that JC had only recently started coming back around. In fact, JC was with his old friend the night of the murders watching football. And that old friend was in a photo honoring DC on his b-day (or c-day depending). I have no idea what that means, if anything.

I do not think Johnny Clarke was a gang member.

The only gang that keeps cropping up again and again is the LOCZ from the 300 block of Western. Which seem to be a bunch of young punks, but not wanabees, imo. And they all have older family members with lengthy criminal histories. The older guys pop up on fb every once in awhile. Either to tell the young punks to chill, or hmu (hit me up). They all grew up on the southside of Toledo.

The wanabees are the guys sporting baby blue. I think they call themselves choloz. Not sure though. That would be the same color as the bracelets made in rembrance of Johnny and Lisa. If they are reading, I hope they realize that being a wanabe is a good thing. Means that they will most likely grow out of it, god willing.

[Adub]

Thoughts running around in my mind.

Why has no one discussed how 'multiple' people got in and out of
the street and driveway without anyone seeing anything?

We are frustrated. It is unimaginable how the Straub's must feel. I
think the Clarke's know who did it and possibly why but telling the
truth would incriminate someone or put someone at risk.

WolfHouse - Adub mentioned already 3 could have showed up in one car - they could have hid a car near that school and jumped a fence - who knows. I think it's a loner freak found out the Straub's would be away for 2 weeks - couldn't kill them over at Maytee's but, could at the Straub's.

Yes, I think it is unimaginable how the Straub's feel and the Clarke's.

I beg to disagree with you, I believe if Maytee knew who killed her Son she would never conceal it.

Loner freaks don't have the loyalty that this case is showing, imo. No way did a single person pull this off. But I am waiting for the big surprise.

[WolfHouse]

I just can not believe that Johnny and Lisa (if drugs were involved)
would keep them in her parent's bedroom. So to me, drugs is
ruled out. Twenty year olds would find much more interesting places
to hide drugs than a parent's bedroom.

I agree with robbery.

[fabulous]

GREAT post Adub!!!!

[onefortheroad]

I just can not believe that Johnny and Lisa (if drugs were involved)
would keep them in her parent's bedroom. So to me, drugs is
ruled out. Twenty year olds would find much more interesting places
to hide drugs than a parent's bedroom.

I agree with robbery.

Somebody theorized that the panic button for the alarm might be in the parents' bedroom and Lisa could have run in there and they came after her. Remember there were scales and baggies found in the kitchen and removed by LE, which usually says drugs, and the vents were removed, which shows they were searching for something, most likely drugs or drug money.

[toledoarea]

I just can not believe that Johnny and Lisa (if drugs were involved)
would keep them in her parent's bedroom. So to me, drugs is
ruled out. Twenty year olds would find much more interesting places
to hide drugs than a parent's bedroom.

I agree with robbery.

So umm why can't there be a robbery with drugs involved?

[Freshbait78]

The only gang that keeps cropping up again and again is the LOCZ from the 300 block of Western. Which seem to be a bunch of young punks, but not wanabees, imo. And they all have older family members with lengthy criminal histories. The older guys pop up on fb every once in awhile. Either to tell the young punks to chill, or hmu (hit me up). They all grew up on the southside of Toledo.

The wanabees are the guys sporting baby blue. I think they call themselves choloz. Not sure though. That would be the same color as the bracelets made in rembrance of Johnny and Lisa. If they are reading, I hope they realize that being a wanabe is a good thing. Means that they will most likely grow out of it, god willing.

I just want to add, not that I think it's really relevant, that I'm pretty sure the Choloz are the older gang & the Locz are the newer of the two. I have a friend of 20+ years who is a Cholo, they're definatly not wannabe's. Then again, I don't think either of the 2 gangs are wannabe's. I think what you see are the younger generation, looking like wannabe's trying to prove themselves to the older "OG" gangbanger generation. I agree though that it doesn't appear to me the Johnny was in a gang but I'm sure he was friendly with people who were in one. As I said, I have a friend who's a Cholo & that's not the crowd I run with so it's not far fetched to think that Johnny had close ties to gangbangers in probably many different gangs. IMO

[Freshbait78]

I just can not believe that Johnny and Lisa (if drugs were involved)
would keep them in her parent's bedroom. So to me, drugs is
ruled out. Twenty year olds would find much more interesting places
to hide drugs than a parent's bedroom.

I agree with robbery.

Somebody theorized that the panic button for the alarm might be in the parents' bedroom and Lisa could have run in there and they came after her. Remember there were scales and baggies found in the kitchen and removed by LE, which usually says drugs, and the vents were removed, which shows they were searching for something, most likely drugs or drug money.

Just some thoughts..... I don't know much about alarm systems & panic buttons but if there were a panic button would a master bedroom closet be a likely place for one? Also if there were a panic button in the master closet, what are the odds that LS wasn't able to push it? IF it was even functional.... there's a possibility that the security alarm wires were cut right? Would that also effect the panic button?

My theory that I've stated once before & I'm sticking to for now, is that I believe it's possible that Johnny/Lisa or both directed the perps to the master bedroom, hoping to gain some distance to escape or summon help.

[PURPLECATS]

Just some thoughts..... I don't know much about alarm systems & panic buttons but if there were a panic button would a master bedroom closet be a likely place for one? Also if there were a panic button in the master closet, what are the odds that LS wasn't able to push it? IF it was even functional.... there's a possibility that the security alarm wires were cut right? Would that also effect the panic button?

My theory that I've stated once before & I'm sticking to for now, is that I believe it's possible that Johnny/Lisa or both directed the perps to the master bedroom, hoping to gain some distance to escape or summon help.

The panic button is on the alarm its self
If they had more than one ALARM PAD they could of push it
It looks like they didn't make it and if it was cut it wouldn't work
I would think they would have maybe 2 one in the MB and KIT. OMB

[Duchess]

The wires being cut on the alarm system should have summoned police to the house immediately.

[pspence]

Do you think the psychos "who did this" read these posts? Possibly even disguising as one of the Mockers?

[Duchess]

Yes, I do.

[fabulous]

Do you think the psychos "who did this" read these posts? Possibly even disguising as one of the Mockers?

I've wondered the same thing.
and even if it's not one of the psychos "who did this", it could be one of the key players or something like that. it creeps me out.

[Snoopy]

Do you think the psychos "who did this" read these posts? Possibly even disguising as one of the Mockers?

I've wondered the same thing.
and even if it's not one of the psychos "who did this", it could be one of the key players or something like that. it creeps me out.

Oh, how I have wondered that too! I would put money on it, that they read these forums,but I doubt they would post. 90 percent of my job is tracing IP addresses all night, its very easy and quick to do- of course, I do not have the tools to trace them to someones front door (nor would I need to), but the police do!! It would be interesting to one day, find out, if they had visited or posted on this site, or not.. creepy

[concerned]

Just some thoughts..... I don't know much about alarm systems & panic buttons but if there were a panic button would a master bedroom closet be a likely place for one? Also if there were a panic button in the master closet, what are the odds that LS wasn't able to push it? IF it was even functional.... there's a possibility that the security alarm wires were cut right? Would that also effect the panic button?

My theory that I've stated once before & I'm sticking to for now, is that I believe it's possible that Johnny/Lisa or both directed the perps to the master bedroom, hoping to gain some distance to escape or summon help.

The panic button is on the alarm its self
If they had more than one ALARM PAD they could of push it
It looks like they didn't make it and if it was cut it wouldn't work
I would think they would have maybe 2 one in the MB and KIT. OMB

Alot of alarm systems has an additional pad that can be installed in a bedroom. Also there is a remote control that is on a keychain, It is possible that they had an extra pad in there bedroom with a panic on it or maybe Lisa had it on her keychain which could have been upstairs. There is also a code that can be punched in incase perps force you to put your code in. It stops the alarm on the inside but sends the silent panic alarm to the company. Alarms have a back up battery I think. In case of power outage etc... My parents have one and this is what I know about them

[Nina]

So it looks like the Justice WILL page is gone? Has anyone been able to access it?

On another note, MM (one of AG's friends that was hiding in Kansas) accepted a plea deal to serve 6 ¹⁄₂ yrs. The other guy BC, is scheduled for pre-trial on 3/29. These guys are NOT named suspects in this case but I still think we'll find the killers somewhere in this group so I am checking in on them all from time to time. I noticed BC in the picture at DC's memorial - I believe he is the guy on far left. I find it ironic that all of this group constantly commented on DC's death, still do, but they all at least knew JC and rarely mention him - either guilty or scared maybe?

btw - I would bet money that the killers have looked at this forum. And since we've discussed pretty much every possible scenario - we've probably discussed them at some point.

[Lady Cop]

i'm only guessing that perhaps the Justice Will Prevail page has come down, or been made private (?) due to a lot of things being said that were only fueling the fire and not accomplishing anything. it was a smart move to take it down.