Johnny S. Clarke & Lisa Straub- young Ohio couple murdered

[ZEROSPHERES]

Hey MOCKERS
I was thinking about this last night...WHO stated the TV and LIGHTS were on the first time the cops came out to the house? Is it in the police report? Or is this heresay?

ALSO I am trying to figure out WHY the TV would be on at all if they were just home to change and leave??

It's 'Unknown' stating what he was told, so it's hearsay..

- Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:19 PM

I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.

[LytoMe]

They had to have been killed before that time. Right? What am I not understanding here? we have discussed these calls a thousand times...so why do I see them differently now? That would be freshbait thank you! It seems too obvious that the timeline is fucked up. Now I'm gonna feel like a real ass if someone gets on here and says "I said that about 500 pages ago dumbass" It is just too much detail for this old Kitty to keep straight God Damnit!

SADLY enough I have been doing a lot of what you have, going over ever scenario in my head...even putting myself there. What I keep thinking (and I know this is a disturbing thought, that they were dying while others were right outside. BUT with the bags over their heads, and being bound their voices could not be heard. That would make the timeline more accurate, BUT the whole thing with the lights being on and then off is really bothering me. AND I STILL WOULD love to hear from John Sr.

[LytoMe]

Just realized that the for the handful of us that have posted consistently from the beginning, have been followed by over 600,000 (thanks Zero) people...it's the cyberspace version of the Truman Show.

AND HOW MANY do you think have been the FBI and Detectives handling the case...this site just might be the place where the case will BREAK...I GUARANTEE there will be pages out of this site used for trial.

We just used Facebook in a trial last week...

[NightOwl]

Fabulous, post # 14666 where was Lisa getting Vicodin? TW and Lisa were both going to nursing school maybe that's where they met, Lisa made her a friend on Facebook. Wondering if TW could be a source? IMO

Johnny & AG in prison I don't think there was a quarrel between them AG said he gave cigarettes to Johnny - there was a quarrel between Johnny & another prisoner and whatever took place Maytee somehow managed to get Johnny moved elsewhere however, AG did comment with the ranting back and forth with Maytee, he didn't like snitches. I'm not so sure about bad blood between them. I am
trying to recall from the episode on Facebook AG & Maytee.

Could it be co-incidence with these people? On how they all met.

[LytoMe]

It's 'Unknown' stating what he was told, so it's hearsay..

- Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:19 PM

I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.

I think that is a HUGE piece of evidence, and no one has really touched this topic. NOT as much as the safe and holes in the walls...lights on or off states that after the first time the police were there SOMEONE was in the home.
UNLESS the lights have timers??!!

[Adub]

It's 'Unknown' stating what he was told, so it's hearsay..

- Unknown - 02-04-2011 01:19 PM

I have just heard that when the cops arrived the first time all the lights were on in the house and could hear the tv on and they said there was nothing they could legally do cause they couldn't see a disturbance and on the second call out the tv was off and the light in the house were mostly off. That means when they got there the first time the killer(s) were still in the house! My source says they either parked there car in a neighbors driveway or around the side st.

I think that is a HUGE piece of evidence, and no one has really touched this topic. NOT as much as the safe and holes in the walls...lights on or off states that after the first time the police were there SOMEONE was in the home.
UNLESS the lights have timers??!!

That was the topic last night. Then we got off on 911 calls. That is why I wanted that Blade article where the detectives defend their actions that night. Maybe something was said about the status of the lights in that article. But I don't think so.

[Adub]

This is the beginning of the article, I just can't find the rest of it....

Deputies' actions defended in Springfield Twp. slaying2011-02-03

Toledo Blade Lucas County Sheriff's Maj. Ron Keel Wednesday defended the deputies who responded to a Springfield Township home but did not force their way inside where Lisa Straub, 20, and Johnny S. Clarke, 21, had been brutally murdered. "They responded appropriately," Major Keel said. "We just can't run up and kick in doors." The mother of Mr. Clarke, who first called 911 early Monday saying she feared her...

[LytoMe]

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ADUB - That was the topic last night. Then we got off on 911 calls. That is why I wanted that Blade article where the detectives defend their actions that night. Maybe something was said about the status of the lights in that article. But I don't think so.


[/quote]

Even with NO NEW information, we can still hit topics that have not really been thought out or really spoken about...this is a good question I think for MAYTEE if she was still reading this forum. And I think a lot of new points have come up, like the entire timeframe of TW's actions. When you break it down it doesn't seem accurate.

Again I would like to add I DO NOT think Maytee had any involvement in the murders, what I do think is she may know more...but who are WE to ask for that information if it will help convict the murderers.

[pspence]

Night Owl asked "Could it be co-incidence with these people? On how they all met. "



Tiffany told me she knew Johnny first and met Lisa through her friendship with Johnny. AG said he had no problem with Johnny at all.

[blueberryhill]

Re lights on or off, i believe it was TW that said she looked through side windows at front door and lights were on
and she could see all the way to top of stairs. This supposedly happened when she drove by Straubs to check
on J & L.

[NightOwl]

Night Owl asked "Could it be co-incidence with these people? On how they all met. "



Tiffany told me she knew Johnny first and met Lisa through her friendship with Johnny. AG said he had no problem with Johnny at all.

Righty-o pspence - Thanks!

[NightOwl]

This is the beginning of the article, I just can't find the rest of it....

Deputies' actions defended in Springfield Twp. slaying2011-02-03

Toledo Blade Lucas County Sheriff's Maj. Ron Keel Wednesday defended the deputies who responded to a Springfield Township home but did not force their way inside where Lisa Straub, 20, and Johnny S. Clarke, 21, had been brutally murdered. "They responded appropriately," Major Keel said. "We just can't run up and kick in doors." The mother of Mr. Clarke, who first called 911 early Monday saying she feared her...

I checked Norwalk Reflector.com Ohio newspaper they picked up blade story nothing on the police article but, 2 long articles maybe worth reading for some.

[Methusala]

This is the beginning of the article, I just can't find the rest of it....

Deputies' actions defended in Springfield Twp. slaying2011-02-03

Toledo Blade Lucas County Sheriff's Maj. Ron Keel Wednesday defended the deputies who responded to a Springfield Township home but did not force their way inside where Lisa Straub, 20, and Johnny S. Clarke, 21, had been brutally murdered. "They responded appropriately," Major Keel said. "We just can't run up and kick in doors." The mother of Mr. Clarke, who first called 911 early Monday saying she feared her...

Is this the one you want?

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2011/02...ying.print

[imsuchawildflower]

When you dont have insurance, you cant go to a "family doctor" because
you dont have the money to pay for a visit...so you go to the ER.
Same hospital everytime, but a different dr. every time. Each Dr.


here where i live it costs 1,000 just to walk through the door at the emergency room.

BUT, they will let you make payments on it, or you can apply for assistance thru whatever programs they have to help pay medicial costs for those who
cannot afford to pay all or any of it. Its sort of a fund through the hospital
that private donors fund.

[Adub]

This is the beginning of the article, I just can't find the rest of it....

Deputies' actions defended in Springfield Twp. slaying2011-02-03

Toledo Blade Lucas County Sheriff's Maj. Ron Keel Wednesday defended the deputies who responded to a Springfield Township home but did not force their way inside where Lisa Straub, 20, and Johnny S. Clarke, 21, had been brutally murdered. "They responded appropriately," Major Keel said. "We just can't run up and kick in doors." The mother of Mr. Clarke, who first called 911 early Monday saying she feared her...

Is this the one you want?

http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2011/02...ying.print

Yes, thank you.

"It's different if you can see some activity or anything at the home -- any sign of anything," he said. "There was no sign of nothing. The house was secure

[Lady Cop]

i recall discussing this way back. one needs exigent circumstances (evidence of an apparent emergency) to kick in doors.


off-topic...you have to catch this cool program sometime on TLC:
new season tonight--->

http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/police-women

[Adub]

i recall discussing this way back. one needs exigent circumstances (evidence of an apparent emergency) to kick in doors.

The point was did LE say anthing at all about the lights/TV being on at one visit, and off at another. All we have is the word of a Mock member. I can't remember what TW said.

[WolfHouse]

Updated from Toledo Blade Article


Time line

Unknown Johnny leaves tv viewing party.
Unknown Johnny picks up Lisa.
Unknown Johnny and Lisa arrive at Straubs.
Unknown Tiffany converses with Lisa.
Unknown Tiffany converses with Johnny.
Unknown Tiffany calls Sherita.
Unknown Tiffany drives to Johnny's house to ring bell and peer in windows.
1:24 a.m. Maytee calls 911.
1:28 a.m. LE arrive Longacre. Stay 11 minutes.
1:39 a.m. LE departs Longacre.
Unknown Tiffany talks to John Sr.
Unknown Tiffany picks up John Sr. (We know this was before the second 911 call.)
2:06 a.m. Maytee makes second call to 911. (Is she in the car?)
Unknown ("Sometime after 2:06" LE arrive Longacre. 2 Cars. Stay 36 minutes.
Unknown Tiffany and John Sr. arrive at Longacre.
Unknown Maytee arrives at Longacre. LE is there. (Timing the 911 call could tellus this as she was still in her car and on the phone with the dispatcher.)
Before 2:45 Tiffany departs Longacre.
Unknown Maytee and John Sr. depart Longacre'.
2:45 a.m. Approx. LE departs Longacre.
Unknown Maytee and John Sr. return to Longacre.
Unknown Maybee and John Sr. break in door and find kids.
3:50 a.m. Maytee and John Clarke Sr. call 911 and state that they have kicked in door and kids are cold
Unknown Police arrive at death scene.
Unknown Detectives arrive at death scene.
Unknown Television interviews parents outside Longacre.

NOTE: Maytee condemns TW for waiting to call her upon hearing
Johnny's distress ... yet she waits over an hour to check on Johnny?

NOTE 2: Medical examiner on Nancy Grace said it takes 1 to 1.5 hours for a body
to turn cold. After 1.5 hours rigor sets in. (from CNN Transcript)

[Freshbait78]

Night Owl asked "Could it be co-incidence with these people? On how they all met. "



Tiffany told me she knew Johnny first and met Lisa through her friendship with Johnny. AG said he had no problem with Johnny at all.

Righty-o pspence - Thanks!

AG: hashahahah how can ur sons spirit haunt me if he feared me when he was alive? did he grow a pair in his casket?

AG hahahaha no he wont and anybody that runs around spreadin rumors saying some1 is going to rob them and continuosly ask " AP isn't there is he" is a coward atleast thats how i feel.....


Page 907 Post # 12686 by Nina

Just sayin.........

[Freshbait78]

NOTE: Maytee condems TW for waiting to call her upon hearing
Johnny's distress ... yet she waits over an hour to check on Johnny?

Where are you getting that she waited a hour? I'm confused.