Raising the debt ceiling...

[Duchess]

It's amazing how you can cut out the part you don't like and praise the rest.

I do it all the time. I only respond to the parts of the post I want to.

[Cracker]

I do it all the time. I only respond to the parts of the post I want to.

You can only do that for sexual or personal bullshit type posts. You can't do that with "you fucking asshole, you voted for Obama and you aren't even fucking ashamed" type posts.

[Duchess]

Hahahaha!

[Cracker]

Kinda joking. I usually don't stick with political threads because people vote alone and if people were retarded enough to do it the first time, there is really nothing I can do about it. It is what it is.

You can't change the way people think, especially if it takes longer than a paragraph. People don't want to think too much about voting or work too hard deciding. (Disregard all the fucking people who died so you have the right to throw away your vote on some stupid static politcal idea that was formed by other short-sighted tards when they were high. Go with the flow I say.)

No, really, doesn't bother me AT ALL. (I would fuck Hunter S. Thompson up if he hadn't kicked it.)

[username]

Tiki for president!

You realize she agreed with me and said you would ignore it, right? hahahahaha

I quoted the part of the post that I agreed with (although I plead temporary insanity for posting shit like "Tiki for president" at Mock).

I confess to being a MAJOR forum skimmer at times (not for lack of interest but the damn kids keep getting in the way of my computer time). The first article you posted about Acorn was 4-5 pages long. I got through about page 1 before I had to be somewhere else.

And yeah, I'm shameless and callous that way; I can totally disregard parts of posts when I have other things to do. Borderline ADD. It's probably what has prevented me from joining a bookclub too.

Regarding Obama and Acorn, I could probably go find a bunch of articles that state that it was a loose association if you'd like. Why would your articles be any more accurate than mine?

[Cracker]

Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.

Is that really a FACT, or just another lie? Let's take a look at a quote from a 2004 article - Case Study: Chicago- The Barack Obama Campaign - written by Toni Foulkes, a Chicago ACORN Leader, which was published in the journal Social Policy. Did we mention that Social Policy recently pulled this particular article from their website, while leaving links to all other articles up?

"Obama took the case, known as ACORN vs. Edgar (the name of the Republican governor at the time) and we won. Obama then went on to run a voter registration project with Project VOTE in 1992 that made it possible for Carol Moseley Braun to win the Senate that year. Project VOTE delivered 50,000 newly registered voters in that campaign (ACORN delivered about 5,000 of them).

Since then, we have invited Obama to our leadership training sessions to run the session on power every year, and, as a result, many of our newly developing leaders got to know him before he ever ran for office. Thus it was natural for many of us to be active volunteers in his first campaign for State Senate and then his failed bid for U.S. Congress in 1996. By the time he ran for U.S. Senate, we were old friends."

Not only does Foulkes boast of Obama's ACORN leadership training, but also makes it clear that Obama's post-law school organizing of "Project VOTE" in 1992 was undertaken in direct partnership with ACORN. The tie between Project VOTE and ACORN is also something that Obama and others have attempted to disprove in recent weeks as ACORN has come under fire for allegations of voter registration fraud.

As recently as March 2008, the Los Angeles Times also made reference to Barack Obama's involvement with ACORN:

"At the time, Talbot worked at the social action group ACORN and initially considered Obama a competitor. But she became so impressed with his work that she invited him to help train her staff." (LA Times, March 2, 2008)



A loose association with McDonald's is driving through to get a cup of coffee, not defending them in court and training the morning crew.

I guess Jose Baez has a loose association with Casey Anthony.

Writing last February on the campaign’s website, Obama supporter Sam Graham-Felsen cited the Democratic nominee’s remarks to a November 2007 ACORN gathering. “When I ran Project Vote voter registration drives in Illinois,” Obama said, “ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”

Obama’s campaign paid $832,598 last February to Citizens Services, Inc., an ACORN affiliate. The campaign originally described this to the Federal Election Commission as “staging, sound, lighting.” Last August, this filing was amended to show this money purchased get-out-the-vote services. ACORN spokesmen have admitted that roughly $80,000 of Obama’s payment to CSI flowed into ACORN’s coffers.

[Cracker]

Why would your articles be any more accurate than mine?

Yes. He paid them money to register Mickey Mouse to vote. They got charged in several states and then the Congress was too ashamed to fund them anymore.

You wouldn't say paying them almost a million campaign dollars is a loose association, would you?

You were wrong. You fucked us. I gave you an appropriate outlet to apologize to us for being so fucking stupid. If you want to cling to your Obama vote, go ahead. I can forgive you, I just don't know if I can forget.

Do you not feel a little ashamed? A tiny bit? Do you think he's doing a good job? Because I don't.

[Cracker]

Holy shit:

6.30.11 @ 1:34PM

Why is President Obama apparently defying federal law by funding ACORN?

Judicial Watch discovered that the Obama administration is flouting the will of Congress by giving federal taxpayer money to ACORN.

Obama's Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) gave a $79,819 grant to the largest branch of the ACORN tree, ACORN Housing Corp. (AHC). AHC filed papers last year legally changing its name to Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA). It's the same old organization with a brand new ACORN-free name.

Worse yet, the grant funds a political agitation and indoctrination program. Here's HUD's euphemistic description of the program:


Education and Outreach Initiative grants (EOI) - HUD awarded $6.8 million to organizations that educate the public and housing providers about their rights and obligations under federal, state, and local fair housing laws. Groups will also conduct fair lending workshops, community meetings, and individual counseling activities focused on homeowners at risk for discrimination.

According to HUD, the grant money came out of fiscal 2010 appropriations.


I'm sure you'll say he didn't do this personally. I can't think of anyone else who would dare. Because he knows y'all are stupid.

[Cracker]

, in 2009 Congress passed four separate appropriations bills that contained language blocking federal funds from flowing to ACORN during federal fiscal year 2010, which ran from Oct. 1, 2009 through Sept. 30, 2010. All four of the laws prevent ACORN and its affiliated groups from receiving federal taxpayer dollars.

The funding prohibition in Public Law 111-117 (PDF) applies specifically to HUD. It spells out in pretty clear terms that ACORN shouldn't be getting any government funding. Let's see just how clearly it spells it out:

Division A - Section 418. None of the funds made available under this Act or any prior Act may be provided to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), or any of its affiliates, subsidiaries, or allied organizations. [p. 80 of PDF]

Division B - Section 534. None of the funds made available under this Act may be distributed to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) or its subsidiaries. [p. 125 of PDF]

Division E - Section 511. None of the funds made available in this division or any other division in this Act may be distributed to the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) or its subsidiaries. [p. 279 of PDF]

Yet despite the ban, President Obama found it in his heart to hand over $79,819 of your money to his thug friends at ACORN.


That's my problem with Obama. He thinks he is above the law. I don't feel that he represents everyone in this country. I'm sorry, but you can't run the country for the poor (after you made a bunch more people poorer). You need to cater to the working people. They pay your ass.

[Maggot]

Hey! That was just a FROI-dee-uhn slip. Ummmmmm an error that reveals someone's subconscious mind. Yeah Ummmm. it wasn't real!

[Cracker]

Jesus Christ:

Remember that story from a few days ago, the one about the Obama administration giving ACORN a $79,819 grant in March despite a federal law that prohibits the government from giving money to ACORN?

It turns out that sum is a lowball figure.

I discovered Obama's Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) gave ACORN another $461,086 in January.* The funds were earmarked for ACORN Housing Corp. in January under HUD's Self-help Homeownership Opportunity Program (SHOP), according to the government website USAspending.gov.

In order words, the Obama administration gave fraud-ridden ACORN nearly a half million dollars to be used on housing development.

The administration isn't even trying to conceal the fact that it gave this money to ACORN. USAspending.gov identifies the recipient as "ACORN Housing Corporation Inc." even though that nonprofit entity filed papers last year legally changing its name to Affordable Housing Centers of America (AHCOA).

The website also provides the address of record for ACORN Housing as 1024 Elysian Fields Avenue, New Orleans, Louisiana. That's the renovated funeral home that until recently served as headquarters for ACORN's 370-plus shady affiliates.

This means the Obama administration has given at least $540,905 in taxpayer money to ACORN this calendar year alone.

Then...

After this article was published, HUD spokesman Jereon M. Brown contacted the writer by email. Brown acknowledged the government's USAspending.gov database reported that the $461,086 HUD grant was made to ACORN Housing, but said the award was actually rescinded. "This amount was de-obligated and recovered," he said.


BUT, ACORN's Fical year July 2009 through June 2010 says it got over 6 million in federal funding. WTF?

Don't know if the link will work: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/20...1d99-9.pdf

[Maggot]

I see the employment numbers are rising.

[username]

I was skimming before and now I'm super skimming. Is a half million dollars a lot of money these days? Right wing Republicans don't contribute money to their support groups? Amazing! Way to go Republicans!

[Cracker]

It's illegal, user. Skim harder. It isn't supposed to be funded AT ALL because of all the voter registration fraud.

These aren't support groups. They are supposed to be nonpartisan voter registration drives. Instead, they made up thousands and thousands of names (Mickey Mouse, Paul Newman, etc) and got busted. So Congress pulled ALL FEDERAL FUNDING and passed laws to make sure it wasn't funded. Then Obama funded it.

You don't have a problem with breaking laws? You are going to pull out some stupid Republican shit? I don't know what to say. How do you talk sense to senselessness?

I'm shocked.

[Cracker]

Obama is taking care of the fraudulent criminals who put him in office. Know who funds all that shit now? Labor unions. The main goal of all this shit is the living wage movement and increase of welfare and universal healthcare. All of the ACORN name-change organizations, voter registration "non-profits," and community home ownership organizations are ALL IN IT TOGETHER. If you google, you see all of their names together on all this stuff. They don't hide it, people just don't want to know.

Who took over ACORN's offices in Atlanta? Yep, the labor unions that were paying them in the first place.

How do you not see?

We can't let pieces of shit run the country. They can't even keep a fucking job and house. You want them determining your policy?

Some people will find out too late why that is a really bad idea. Really bad.

[username]

Obama is taking care of the fraudulent criminals who put him in office. Know who funds all that shit now? Labor unions.

Didn't you say in another post that you (to some degree) support unions and you've been a union participant? I could have sworn you said elsewhere that you see some value in unions.


Personally, I think federal and state labor laws sufficiently cover employees and unions ought to go bye-bye. You?

[Cracker]

Maggot, what would happen to your business if $15.00 was the minimum wage for the unskilled labor, complete with full benefits? Would that be a problem? Would the skilled labor maybe want more money? Would that inspire you to hire MORE people?

That's what the living wage wants, $15.00 per hour for burger flippers. When that happens, welfare automatically has to go up because it is figured as a percentage of minimum wage.

Who do you think will get fucked? I'd say old people who actually earned benefits and tax payers.

It's a bad idea. It will finish killing this country.

If you vote for Obama again, you deserve what you get. I just don't deserve it. That's the part that sucks.

[Cracker]

Obama is taking care of the fraudulent criminals who put him in office. Know who funds all that shit now? Labor unions.

Didn't you say in another post that you (to some degree) support unions and you've been a union participant?

No. I have never been in a union. Georgia is a right to work state.

I belong to professional organizations. I get discounts on travel. And an attorney if I ever need one professionally. That's about it. Oh, and a coffee cup and pocket calendar and pen every year. Sometimes sticky notes if I don't get them from my credit union.

Nice try.

[username]

No. I have never been in a union. Georgia is a right to work state.

I belong to professional organizations. I get discounts on travel. And an attorney if I ever need one professionally. That's about it. Oh, and a coffee cup and pocket calendar and pen every year. Sometimes sticky notes if I don't get them from my credit union.

Nice try.

Good. Then we found a point to agree on. Unions suck.

Sorry if that doesn't line up with your image of everyone who voted for a democratic president this time.

[Cracker]

It get worse:

The Government Accountability Office issued a controversial and ridiculous advisory opinion in September 2010 stating that ACHOA is not an “allied organization” of ACORN and is therefore not subject to the funding ban. However, the government’s website listing federal expenditures identifies the organization receiving this grant as “ACORN Housing Corporation Inc.” and even lists ACORN’s New Orleans, Louisiana, address. Moreover ACHOA maintains the same board of directors, executive director and offices as its predecessor, ACORN Housing Corporation, Inc.

Make no mistake, ACHOA is ACORN. So this is a clear violation of the funding ban. But it is also an especially irresponsible waste of taxpayer funds considering the documented corruption at ACORN Housing/ACHOA.

For example, according to a September 21, 2010, HUD inspector general report, which notes that ACORN Housing is “now operating as Affordable Housing Centers of America,” the organization misappropriated funds from a $3,252,399 federal grant. The inspector general concluded that ACORN Housing/ACHOA had charged salary expenses to the HUD grant that “were not fully supported.” The organization also continued to pay its counselors even after they were terminated, did not meet federal procurement standards and allegedly destroyed documents to conceal the fraudulent activity.

The inspector general articulated a number of benchmarks that must first be met by ACHOA before the organization could begin receiving any future federal funds, including reimbursing the government for the misappropriated funds.

A separate November 8, 2010, HUD inspector general report documented additional fraudulent activity by ACORN/ACHOA. The ACORN group “inappropriately expended more than $3.2 million from its fiscal years 2004 and 2005 grants for the elimination of lead poisoning in its housing program,” the report concluded. The misappropriation included the use of funds “not identified in its grant application’s detailed budgets,” including “campaign services” and “grant fundraising activities.”

So why is ACORN still on the government dole, instead of the focus of a major federal corruption investigation? Look no further than the top.

In November 2007, then-Senator Obama addressed ACORN and thanked the organization for its work. Obama has denied that he had any involvement with ACORN other than some legal work he did for them in 1995, but this claim rings hollow when considering statements made by Obama in 2007.

In Senator Obama’s own words: “I've been fighting alongside Acorn [sic] on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, Acorn [sic] was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.” Barack Obama served as the Illinois executive director of Project Vote in 1992. His campaign paid more than $800,000 to an ACORN organization to help “get out the vote” in his successful primary campaign against then-Sen. Hillary Clinton.

But Obama is not the only one at the White House pitching for ACORN. As reported by The New York Times in 2009, “perhaps no administration official has had more interaction with Acorn [sic] than [Shaun] Donovan”, who is Obama’s Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. The Times notes that Donovan “worked closely” with ACORN’s politically-powerful New York housing affiliate when he was a New York City housing official. And now he’s helped secure a nice chunk of change for ACORN from HUD’s coffers.

ACORN’s ties to Obama and Donavan run deep. So it is no surprise they would continue to dole out tax dollars to an ACORN affiliate with a documented history of fraudulent activity. This is another instance of President Obama’s appointees stubbornly refusing to follow the law by not denying funding to this crooked organization.

And I have to ask the question: Is the Obama gang ensuring that ACORN is around to help them again in 2012?”

By the way, in 2011, HUD provided $40 million in grants to 108 “fair housing” organizations, representing a $13.2 million increase over the 2010 award. According to HUD’s press announcement, the general purpose of these grants is “to educate the public and combat housing and lending discrimination.” This funding of activist groups like ACORN Housing helped lead to our housing crisis. These socialist revolutionaries leveraged your tax dollars to press for government and mortgage policies that gave housing loans to people who couldn’t afford them. That led to the ongoing mortgage crisis.

You can see that the Obama administration is doing three bad things at once — funding a group barred by law from receiving funds, funding a group that has record of fraud, and funding a group and policies that have helped destroy the housing market (and depressed our economy).



Bill Clinton actually started the sell-houses-to-voters-I-mean-poor-people-who-can't-really-afford-them-so-the-banks-will-purchase-them-in-secure-lumps-and-then-foreclose-and-kill-this-country's-economy-and-fuck-Cracker's-home-value-program.



Here's how we invested in our "recovery" (we fixed up the projects, how the fuck that benefits anybody but welfare folks is beyond me, besides the illegals doing the work and the homie contractors):

The Northeast Georgia Housing Authority received a Capital Fund grant in the amount of $1,551,209.00 as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment and Act of 2009 (ARRA). These funds allowed the Northeast Georgia Housing Authority to reassess the possibilities of long-term repairs and modernizations to improve the quality of life for residents.

"When completed the repairs and modernization efforts will improve the quality of life of residents, and ARRA funding is essential in that effort," said Ada Holloway, HUD Georgia Director, Public Housing and Indian Division.

The Northeast Georgia Housing Authority serves the counties of Bank, Habersham, Stevens, and White. Using the ARRA funds, the housing authority created eight jobs and entered into 26 contracts to complete a variety of work items including the following:

The Corners: 42 units
•Completely modernize units to include refinishing kitchen cabinets, replacing countertops, adding new kitchen sinks and faucets, and renovating bathrooms.

The Corners, The Sunny Glade, The Brook, Bridgeview, Lockridge, The Washington, Ritchie Crossing, Oak Manor, Holcomb St Apts, Clearview Apts, Everfair, and Shadow Bend: 185 combined units
•Replace roof shingles
•Build and install site name signs

Forest Hills: 12 units
•Replace heating and air conditioning systems

The Brook and Dover Corners: 28 combined units
•Patch, repair, and repave housing authority owned streets and parking areas

The Sunny Glade, The Knoll, The Cove, The Vista, The Washington, Lockridge, Ritchie Crossing, Everfair, Dover Corners, Galloway Village, and Leafcrest: 254 combined units
•Replace sanitary sewer lines

Oak Manor and Cloverdale Cove: 18 combined units
•Replace bathtubs

Galloway Village: 26 units
•Make exterior accessibility improvements

Shadow Bend: 26 units
•Make miscellaneous site improvements

Dover Corners and Cliff C Kimsey Apartments: 52 combined units
•Replace windows and the installation of stainless steel window screens

The Sunny Glade and Holcomb St Apartments: 39 combined units
•Install stainless steel window screens


Is it just me, or is fixing up projects a good way to keep people on welfare in their upgraded crib?