The Bashara murder mystery...with a little S&M and bondage

[Darkman]

--- AUDIO --- (Podcast, 11:11)

from ellejay (thanks!)

Is the writing on the wall for Bashara?

April 16, 2012
Attorney David Griem tells Charlie why the Bashara case is the strangest and most bizarre case he has ever worked on.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/audio/1089-c...r-bashara/

--charlie langton audio interview w/ david griem--

Charlie Langton said (in above mentioned Podcast): "The ruling is on Wednesday ... We will follow up on Thursday" (which is tomorrow)

The link above (for the podcast), looks like, doesn't work ...

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[Darkman]

Judge denies Bashara attorney's request to be present for handwriting samples

Published On: Apr 18 2012 05:39:06 PM EDT

---- VIDEO added ---- (from court ... Bashara's comments ... Griem's comments etc)



The lawyer for Bob Bashara has lost his request to be present when Bashara gives a handwriting sample to Wayne County prosecutors.

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Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Judge...index.html

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--- TEXT & the same VIDEO is HERE: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/inves...index.html

"For the reasons stated on the record, the defendant's motion is denied," Wayne County Circut Court Judge Timothy Kenny said.

Bob Bashara said he didn't consider the judge's ruling a set back.

"No, I wouldn't say so at all," he said.

Griem said he had no plans to appeal.

"They had to go through a dog and pony show and it looks like today the dog lost and the pony won. Have a good day," Griem said.

A date for the handwriting samples to be submitted has not yet been set.

[Darkman]

Bob Bashara to Give Writing Sample Without Attorney Griem Present

Grosse Pointe Park investigators will be able to gather a handwriting sample from Bob Bashara without his attorney present after a ruling was issued Wednesday.

By Sara Eaton Martin, 4:18 pm

One week after attorney David Griem argued to be present for the gathering of a handwriting sample from his client Bob Bashara, a Third Circuit Court Judge denied the request.

Judge Timothy Kenny denied Griem's request Wednesday during a brief hearing, during which he explained Griem is not legally entitled to be present since Bashara is not under arrest, Kenny's court clerk told Patch Wednesday...

...Patch is awaiting a return call from Griem seeking comment about today's decision.

Meanwhile, Grosse Pointe Park Public Safety Director David Hiller said last week the case is still being actively investigated three months after her death.

The next major date is a hearing in early May for Gentz during which his competency will be determined.

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More at the Source: Gross Pointe Patch

[Darkman]

Bashara court hearing
1 hr 5 mins ago - WXYZ-Detroit 2:11

A judge has ordered that bob Bashara does not have the right to have his lawyer present when he gives a handwriting sample.



----- Good VIDEO ----- (more details than in another video, mentioned earlier)

-- They learned that Bob Bashara will give the handwriting sample "Friday afternoon" (April the 20^th, 2012, i guess)



-- "Do you still have the full support of your family and friends?" (reporter)

-- "Absolutely, I do." (Bob)

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Source: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/region/wayn...ing-sample

or can watch it here in "FULL Screen": http://news.yahoo.com/video/detroitwxyz-...00086.html

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[Darkman]

Bob Bashara must give writing samples without attorney present, judge says
April 19, 2012

Only murder suspect Bob Bashara and investigators will be there when Bashara gives court-ordered handwriting samples and signatures as part of the investigation into his wife's slaying, a Wayne County Circuit judge ruled Wednesday.

Defense attorney David Griem argued that he or a representative should be on hand when Bashara gives dozens of writing samples and signatures for comparison with an envelope, a check, a greeting card, a card attached to flowers and a letter.

But Presiding Judge Timothy Kenny said Bashara has not been charged with a crime and his lawyer has "no legal right to peer over the shoulder of the investigators." The writing examples, like a blood sample or voice identification, "is not a critical stage" that requires a lawyer's presence, Kenny said.

Courts protect rights but leave the detective work to police, he said. It's not clear what role the writing samples have in the murder investigation.

"This court does not run or supervise investigations," Kenny told Griem and assistant Wayne County prosecutors Lisa Lindsey and Rob Moran...

More at the Source: http://www.freep.com/article/20120419/NE...judge-says


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Judge rules against Bashara request to have lawyer present for writing sample
By Mitch Hotts
[email protected]

Posted: 04/19/12 12:01 am
Updated: 04/19/12 12:32 am

...Presiding Judge Timothy Kenny denied a motion by defense attorney David Griem to be there when Bashara gives a sample of his handwriting because he hasn’t yet been charged with a crime and therefore doesn’t have the legal right to have counsel present

Kenny said Bashara does not “have the right to peer over the shoulder of the investigators during the investigation.” He went on to say that would also apply to a blood draw, voice identification or signature samples.

“The issue is not whether to keep Griem out, but whether he can be present while the police carry on their investigation,” the judge continued. “The answer is no.”

Griem said he would not appeal the ruling because “this is just one battle. Most likely, there is a war to be fought here.” He said Bashara had already agreed to provide the handwriting sample, but prosecutors would not first let the defense see the documents in question that his writing would be compared to. Prosecutors reportedly want to verify Bashara’s signature on a check, a letter and a greeting card they confiscated. The check is believed to have been a payment made from Bashara to handyman Joe Gentz, while the card allegedly was addressed to Rachel Gillette, a female companion of Bashara.

...“They had to go to a dog-and-pony show and today it looks like the dog lost and the pony won,” Griem said.

While waiting for an elevator in the hallway, Bashara said he didn’t consider the judge’s decision a setback.

“I wouldn’t say that at all,” he said without elaborating.

In response to reporters’ questions, Bashara said his children are “doing fine.” Asked if he felt he still has the support of his family and friends, Bashara answered, “Absolutely I do.”

The entire story is at the Source: http://macombdaily.com/article/20120419/...full_story

[Darkman]

Charlie Langton said (in above mentioned Podcast): "The ruling is on Wednesday ... We will follow up on Thursday" (which is tomorrow)

Sure thing! ... A new podcast today ... and it's pretty good!

-- AUDIO --- (Podcast, 10:26)

Bashara Attorney Griem on "Dogs and Ponies"
April 19, 2012

Attorney David Griem tells Charlie he is incredulous at the court's decision to not allow him to be present at his client's handwriting sample session in front of investigators. Griem also explains what he means by "dog and pony."

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... Charlie: What is "dog and pony"?

... Griem: defense (begins with "d") = dog .... prosecution, plaintiff (begin with "p") = pony ... -- I am an old dog

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... Charlie: When will this handwriting take place?

... Griem: Tomorrow (Friday, Apr. 20, 2012)

... Charlie: Oh! .. OK ... Where at?

... Griem: At Michigan State Police (post on Taylor?? .. or something like that) .... Behind closed doors .. with who knows how many investigators present .. there are four investigation agencies involved .. etc

[Lady Cop]

i'm not understanding why his exemplars from before murder are not used.

people can try to disguise their handwriting.

for example, patsy ramsey.

Darkman, have you heard this explained?

[Darkman]

Nope ... sorry

Maybe they KNOW it's his handwriting .. and want to see if he tries to purger himself.......

p.s.
DanStar, over at hinky said this: "The prosecution needs a verified sample (exemplar) of Bobber's handwriting obtained by an expert handwriting analyst who will then compare the handwriting style in observed samples to the original document (evidence).'"....

[Darkman]

... Griem: At Michigan State Police (post on Taylor?? .. or something like that) .... Behind closed doors .. with who knows how many investigators present .. there are four investigation agencies involved .. etc

At Michigan State Police post in Taylor (at 1:00 p.m.)

Source: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120.../204190399

[Darkman]

Bob Bashara submits handwriting samples in wife's murder investigation
Grosse Pointe Park father says he is cooperating, wants to find out who killed Jane.

Published On: Apr 20 2012 12:47:25 PM EDT

DETROIT -
Bob Bashara was 30 minutes early Friday when he arrived at the Michigan State Police post in Taylor to submit handwriting samples.

The Local 4 Defenders were there as Bashara went into the building with a retired FBI agent at his side. Bashara told the Local 4 Defenders that he always has, and will continue to, cooperate with authorities.

Bashara said he just wants to find out who killed his wife.

Source: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/inves...index.html

[Darkman]

April 20, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Robert Bashara at Michigan State Police post to give handwriting sample

By Christine Ferretti and George Hunter
The Detroit News

The Grosse Pointe Park man, arrived in an SUV at the Taylor post on Telegraph around 12:30 p.m. Friday with his own private investigator. He was scheduled to provide the sample at 1 p.m. Bashara told a group of reporters outside that he just wants to know who is responsible for his wife's January killing.

"Throughout this whole mess … we have fully cooperated and we continue to do so," Bashara said before entering the building. "Bob Bashara wants to find out who killed his wife." ...

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120...z1sbPSaRsV

[Darkman]

Bob Bashara giving handwriting samples to investigators looking into his wife's murder

Posted: 1:46 PM
Last Updated: 4 minutes ago

By: Kimberly Craig

---- includes VIDEO of BB speaking



(WXYZ) - With news cameras rolling beside him, Grosse Pointe Park businessman Bob Bashara walked into his meeting with prosecutors who want handwriting samples from him as part of their investigation into the murder of his wife, Jane.

“Throughout this whole mess, this whole disaster of me losing my wife, Jane was a wonderful person, we have fully cooperated. We continue to do so. This is another example of that", Bashara told reporters Friday afternoon as he walked into the Michigan State Police post in Taylor.



... When asked what he might say to his former handyman Joseph Gentz who claims that Bashara hired him to kill his wife, “I have nothing to say to him”...

... “I’m going to go in. I’m going to cooperate and I’m going to come out”, said Bashara...



Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/bob-bashara...z1sbXgqHIS

[Darkman]

Bob was in there for longer than 3 hours...



...Three hours later, Bashara walked out of the police station.

"I did as they asked, completed the assignment. They were very cordial and I was very open and honest with them," he said...

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Wow! What did they do to him in there in those three hours. Just look at his hair...

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/inves...index.html

and HERE is new VIDEO:

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Bob-B...index.html

[Darkman]

April 20, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Robert Bashara gives handwriting sample to Michigan State Police

By Christine Ferretti and George Hunter
The Detroit News

Taylor — Robert Bashara spent more than three hours at a Michigan State Police post Friday afternoon providing a court-ordered handwriting sample in the murder investigation of his wife, Jane.

The Grosse Pointe Park man arrived in an SUV at the Taylor post on Telegraph around 12:30 p.m. Friday with his own private investigator, retired FBI agent J.D. Gifford. Bashara exited the building about 4 p.m. after providing samples investigators will compare to writing on a greeting card, a letter and a check seized from his home during two searches in February.

Bashara declined to say who was in the room with him when he provided the handwriting sample, or if the proceeding was videotaped.

"(The police) were cordial," he told a group of reporters gathered outside the building. "I was open and honest with them."

Before he left the state police post, Bashara complained he was being treated unfairly by the press.

"I've been tried and convicted in the media," he said. "This is the land of America, where you're innocent until proven guilty."

He concluded his brief remarks by saying: "Have a great day. Go Tigers."...

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120...ate-Police

[Darkman]

Griem / Bashara's "own private investigator, retired FBI agent" J.D. Gifford tried to enter in with Bob ... but wasn't allowed:



Here are the rest of his pics:

[Darkman]

Bashara Provides Samples of His Handwriting at State Police Post
Updated: Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 10:20 PM EDT
Published : Friday, 20 Apr 2012, 10:20 PM EDT

By RONNIE DAHL
WJBK | myFOXDetroit.com

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TAYLOR, Mich. (WJBK) -- Each person's handwriting is unique, and now Bob Bashara's handwriting is being scrutinized by an expert.

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... "Bob Bashara wants to find out who killed his wife, wants to find out what happened and the truth," Bashara remarked.

But will the truth lead back to the Grosse Pointe Park businessman? ...

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... "The idea more is to look for similarities or differences to either include or exclude someone as having written a certain document," said Erich Speckin.

He makes his living studying other peoples handwriting.

"I've had cases from 37 countries, all 50 states. I've testified in 37 states," he said.

Speckin is not working on the Bashara case, but says typically the process calls for a person to write something over and over in a short amount of time.

"By the time you get to say the 20^th or 30^th, they don't know whatever disguise they might be using has now changed because they don't have the first, second and third to use as a guideline to keep their disguise up," he explained....

More at: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/loc...0120420-ms

[Darkman]

But will the truth lead back to the Grosse Pointe Park businessman? ...

Few more pics from that Video: pic 2 | pic 3 | pic 4 | pic 5

[Darkman]

Moreover, investigators are returning to a building Bashara owned in Grosse Pointe Park. They want to talk to people who worked in a bar above an alleged sex dungeon where Bashara spent time.

Looks like the space formerly occupied by the Hard Luck Lounge is for RENT.

$1995 and it can be yours:

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/off/2947615116.html

Looks like Bobby placed a FRESH ad there: (just few days ago) 

$1,995/mo. Possibility of a liquor liscense for sale as well...

[Darkman]

If the adjacent basement space (also known as Sex Dungeon), formerly occupied by Bob Bashara (also known as Master Bob) could be included as a Bonus... We got a deal, Bobby!

[Darkman]

Moreover, investigators are returning to a building Bashara owned in Grosse Pointe Park. They want to talk to people who worked in a bar above an alleged sex dungeon where Bashara spent time.

Looks like the space formerly occupied by the Hard Luck Lounge is for RENT.

$1995 and it can be yours:

http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/off/2947615116.html

Looks like Bobby placed a FRESH ad there: (just few days ago) 

$1,995/mo. Possibility of a liquor liscense for sale as well...

Looks like Bobby is "spreading his wings" somewhat... posted same type of an Ad at two other sites (one back on April 9, 2012 even)

http://michigan.freeshopperads.com/comme...k-map.html

http://www.listown.com/parking-storage/d...228518.htm

Same spelling mistakes