GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[Jimbone]

It's simple HotD... this story doesn't fit the narrative to help the gun control debate. Ergo, the story is going away.

[Maggot]

I can agree with that it happens all the time. Yahoo does that all day, then they throw out a token anti-liberal thing. But look at the comments sometime for the real deal in their stories.

[HairOfTheDog]

You guys may be right. If it looks like this is just another shooting over a personal dispute which simply happened to occur on a campus, it doesn't really further the gun control narrative for either side. Fade out...

The LA times did however interview the police spokeswoman after the late press conference yesterday. She confirmed that police have not found the gun, which might also explain why details and follow up are scarce. Police reportedly arrived on the scene within 4 minutes of the first 911 call and found the two men and the custodian shot, but no gun. Bullets indicate that all shots came from the same gun. The man being charged with the assault was shot in the upper leg and ass. The police spokeswoman stated that they are trying to figure out if he shot himself. Highly unlikely that they were self-inflicted given the location of the wounds, imo. More likely that the other guy involved in the dispute got ahold of the gun and shot his assailant at some point, or that the assailant was shot with his own gun by a third party.

Police are looking into the possibility of an accomplice being involved. I think it's also possible that an unassociated third party could have jacked the gun and fled. Somebody's running around with that gun and I don't think either of the two men involved in what is being called an "adolescent idiotic dispute" are giving up much to police although it doesn't appear that either is unconscious or has life-threatening wounds.

Ref:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/natio...7228.story

Relation to Concealed Carry on Campuses: A bill was introduced last week by a Texas senator to allow concealed carry for all college students in the state. The major opposition is coming from college presidents who have defeated similar proposals in the past. The president of the Lone Star College has been quoted a few times in the media using this incident to support objection to armed students. Still haven't seen confirmation as to whether anyone involved in the shooting was actually a student.

[ZEROSPHERES]

Here is some interesting listening on Sandy Hook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...FE#t=1623s

[Duchess]

What do you all think about a bill that requires parents to tell their children's school that there are guns in the home? It's being proposed in Missouri right now.

[F.U.]

I dont know what business it is of the school system weather or not a childs home has a firearm in it or not. What do they plan on doing profiling children as potential threats because their homes have a hunting rifle in them?
Just worry about attendance and educating our children and leave the firearms out of it.

[Duchess]

I will never understand the mindset of some who believe that your business is their business. It's not.

[F.U.]

If people would mind their own business we all would be a lot better off Duch.


I was just sitting here thinking about how much times have changed since I was a child.

No-a-days if you even make a paper gun at school you are in trouble. In my time I actually took a firearm to grade school one time and the teachers knew it and there was no problem.

The explanation is that I used a 1911, 45 acp, like used by the military as a sidearm in nam and other wars, as part of a presentation. I explained the basics of the firearm, displayed it and told the class how our military had to tear this handgun down and clean it, sometimes during combat. Then I tore the gun down in front of the class, cleaned it and put it back together. I also explained how the military is trained to do this task blindfolded. I got a A on this presentation, not Arrested for it.


It was a different time in our history though. A time when children were spanked when doing wrong , even by teachers and friends parents. Children were allowed to bring homemade treats to school for the class, Hell I even had my mother bring my pet skunk to school for a show and tell day.

Yes, times have really changed, and not for the better!

[F.U.]

Both of these rifles are Ruger 10/22's, but one will be banned. Can anyone tell me why this #2 selling 22 cal squirrel rifle of all time is so much more dangerous when placed into a evil looking black stock?
Same exact rifle, shooting the exact round, using the same exact one shot per one trigger pull, but a different look.

To me its like saying that a dodge neon is now a race car because a kid puts a body kit on it to make it look cool.

[Maggot]

Because they carry the bottom one in the video games?

[F.U.]

Thats as good a answer as any Maggot.

[HairOfTheDog]

It's simple HotD... this story doesn't fit the narrative to help the gun control debate. Ergo, the story is going away.

I hope it goes away altogether now. True idiocy on display.

Police arrested Trey Foster this morning. He is the friend of Berry, one of the men shot in the altercation. It now appears that Berry and Foster were walking on campus when Jody Neal brushed Foster. The two exchanged words and then the 3 men later crossed paths again, whereupon Foster started blasting away - shooting not only Neal, but also incidentally shooting Berry (who police originally thought shot himself when pulling the gun from his back pocket) and the maintenance man. No word whether charges against Berry will be dropped. The gun that Foster used has been recovered. Foster has a criminal record and is prohibited from owning a gun.

I will never understand the mindset of some who believe that your business is their business. It's not.

Senator Chapelle-Nadal looks like someone jumping on the bandwagon and trying to make a name for herself. If somehow this legislation passes, it will be more sheer idiocy on display. It's not the school district's business as to what parents legally own in their homes (guns or otherwise) and the fact that she is pushing to turn schools essentially into branches of law enforcement should be concerning to everyone (including those in law enforcement).

“It encourages parents to make sure they store their guns safely in their home, it also gives the school districts the opportunity to help encourage gun safety in the community and in the household.”

Chappelle-Nadal says that she “believes in the 2^nd amendment” but hopes this will bring awareness to the need to “lock up guns.”

This registration would be available to the police, of course, to “help them solve crimes.”

I think that here reasoning sounds ridiculous; if these are truly her motivations, she should volunteer with a community watch program in her off time. I really hope that this invasive piece of crap bill gets killed quickly.

[Midwest Spy]

Why are gun owners so sensitive/secretive about their guns?

Guns are lethal. They are meant to kill.

Contrary to popular belief by gun-loonies, they are still the preferred weapon to kill people.

To me, it seems gun owners are constantly trying to hide information about their guns.

Why the secrecy?

Just because you have the 'right' to bear arms, that shouldn't leave you consequence-free if your guns end up slaughtering people.

The other night, I watched a gun owner discuss ways to combat 'straw purchases'. It made me laugh.

The crux of the issue it seems in Illinois, is that the 'straw purchaser' faces no consequences when the firearm they've legally purchased ends up being used in a crime.

When confronted by authorities, the gun purchaser simply has to say 'Well, my gun was stolen.', which 99% of the time is a lie (my guess).

Illinois would now like people to declare their weapons stolen immediately, thereby taking that excuse away, or gun purchaser will face charges if their gun ends up involved in a crime.

Apparently, gun advocates have a problem with that.

Can any pro-gun person explain why that would NOT be a good idea?

[Maggot]

Its the same as a person asking what religion you are or what political party you are or if you have a porn stash.

[Duchess]

Why the secrecy?

Simple...it's not your business. That's a general "your". As far as I'm concerned that would apply to anything I own.

I don't have a problem with guns being declared immediately.

[Midwest Spy]

Its the same as a person asking what religion you are or what political party you are or if you have a porn stash.

The problem is, your/my porn stash won't arbitrarily slaughter a group of people, nor will identifying what political party your/I'm with.

[F.U.]

MS,

Most of us do not like to disclose [be secretive in your words] what we own because we remember world history. We remember that in almost every case where there has ben registration, confiscation and attempted extermination soon followed. Here in america we are no different than any other country, nomatter how much we want to believe we are. Some of us learned from the mistakes of others and take steps to try and prevent this, should the issue ever arise.

I dont feel that the owner of a firearm should be held responsible for what happens with that firearm if it has ben stolen. Why should someone be held responsible for another persons actions? If I steal your auto and run over a family and kill them, should you be held responsible for it?
Or if , lets say a elderly person buys a firearm and puts it in their nightstand for protection. There is a good chance they will not even check on it for weeks or months. Sometimes they even forget they own it. Then a grandson, nephew, neighbor etc sneaks in and steals it. Should that little old lady be held responsible if that gun is used in a crime?

Myself I do not agree with straw purchases. In fact if I recognise a attempted straw purchase at the shop I simply say no sale. Now are all gun dealers that way, probably not, but I wish they were.

When it comes to reporting firearms that are stolen, as a dealer I am required by federal law to report the theft within 48 hours. As a individual I would and have reported a stolen firearm within hours. Now if someone got into my gun room and snagged one or two of the smaller pocket pistols I own now I probably would not notice it for weeks, maybe even months, if ever. So in a case like that, the lack of reporting a missing firearm I can understand.

[Midwest Spy]

F.U., just think how boring this thread would be if I weren't around.

Everyone would just agree with everyone at all times.

There's no excitement in that.

BTW, if someone's firearm has been legitimately stolen, I'm with you. They shouldn't be prosecuted.

[Duchess]

Everyone would just agree with everyone at all times.

That would suck the big one, it would be a gawddamn yawnfest, by the same token it would be sucky if it were like the Hatfields & McCoys as well.

[F.U.]

MS, I for one am glad you are part of this thread. I enjoy looking at things through a different set of eyes. I wish there were more conversations like we are having in this thread. Maybe everyone would understand where the other, for a lack of a better word, side is coming from. Instead we have all the bitch fests and name calling that we see every day.