walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[username]

I'm picturing FU giggling.

[Adub]

I have no reason to believe that O'M is accurately reporting the donations. It may just be a con to call the soldiers to action. Get their little hearts beating and there blood pumping. Make them feel that they too can become a part of the action. Ante up, all you GZ supporters fatso is running out of corn.

[HairOfTheDog]

I generally agree with O'Mara's sentiments in this this portion of a statement he made to CNN earlier this week.

“Well, let me ask you this. If they acquit George because the jury says Trayvon was the aggressor, if they make that decision, is that going to be a loss for civil rights? Is it? If the jury decides he’s acquitted because Trayvon was the aggressor, is that a civil rights event? I would suggest not. If they convict George because they think he was the aggressor, is that a benefit to civil rights? Some might say maybe, because at least a young black male victim of a homicide was justified, or his loss was not in vain. So they might say, ‘If you get the conviction then at least he wasn’t a lost life.’ Maybe. But the real decision is going to be who was the aggressor and whether or not George acted reasonably. Those two decisions have nothing to do with rights. They just don’t.

“Now, had the case never gone to trial, maybe. Had they said, ‘We’re not going to prosecute this guy because he killed a black kid,’ then, okay, maybe that’s a civil rights issue. But the jury decides what they’re going to decide, I just don’t see the civil rights connotation to it.”

If Zimmerman hadn't been charged at all, I could see people considering it a civil rights/race issue. He should have been charged and he was.

Since he's been rightfully charged and will have a fair trial within our judicial system, no verdict should be cause for outcries or riots and, like @username, I really don't think they''ll be any. Certainly hope not.

The trial will be televised, streamed, and analyzed to death on news/talk shows, so the public will get to see the whole process in action. That visibility is a very good thing in this case, imo.

On a related note, it's amazing the amount of work that the courthouse staff has undertaken to accommodate this trial; designating and setting up media areas, hiring extra security, creating protestor parameters and locations, adding extra technical capacity... Big job, months in the planning.

Details in this Sentinel article: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loca...ory?page=2

[Duchess]

The trial will be televised, streamed, and analyzed to death on news/talk shows, so the public will get to see the whole process in action. That visibility is a very good thing in this case, imo.

That's wonderful to read & I agree with your opinion.

I hope the jury sees what I see & I saw what was presented to me in the form of news reports, whatever the police have released and the 911 call...George is the initial aggressor.

[HairOfTheDog]

The trial will be televised, streamed, and analyzed to death on news/talk shows, so the public will get to see the whole process in action. That visibility is a very good thing in this case, imo.

That's wonderful to read & I agree with your opinion.

I hope the jury sees what I see & I saw what was presented to me in the form of news reports, whatever the police have released and the 911 call...George is the initial aggressor.

I think this is gonna be a really tough case for the jury.

But, even if the jury believes some pieces from both the defense and the prosecution sides - that George initially provoked the confrontation by following Trayvon and that Trayvon in turn was the initial physical aggressor, for example - if the state can prove beyond reasonable doubt that George did not exhaust all reasonable means before shooting Trayvon and/or that it was not reasonable for George to fear great bodily harm or death at the time, a self defense acquittal is unlikely, imo.

So much of the evidence (that we know about) to help the jury make those determinations is based on the word of the lone survivor (who may not even testify) and/or open to interpretation though.

Hoping the state presents forensic evidence that we haven't yet seen/heard which is less subjective in nature.

[Duchess]

I think George did fear bodily harm.

I'm excited for the trial to begin. I sure hope I don't get all stupid & stuff like those crazies on that one site who supported Jodi. Fuckin' hell.

[Cynical Ninja]

The thing is is the fear of actual bodily harm really enough to justify pulling a gun on a teenager you have been following without identifying yourself.

I'm sorry but if someone was following me I would at least confront them and say “what are you doing? Why are you following me?” Who are you?”

Trayvon as a black youth probably thought the worst and tried to defend himself the best he could against what ever threat he thought he faced more than the average white boy that's for sure.

[HairOfTheDog]

The thing is is the fear of actual bodily harm really enough to justify pulling a gun on a teenager you have been following without identifying yourself.

I'm sorry but if someone was following me I would at least confront them and say “what are you doing? Why are you following me?” Who are you?”

Trayvon as a black youth probably thought the worst and tried to defend himself the best he could against what ever threat he thought he faced more than the average white boy that's for sure.

According to George, Trayvon did ask him, "you got a problem?".

Instead of telling Trayvon that he was Neighborhood Watch and asking Trayvon what he was doing in the neighborhood (there was a perfectly reasonable explanation), George consciously chose to just say "no" and then search around his jacket for his cell phone (George's words).

So, Trayvon did make the inquiry and was met with this unidentified man who'd been watching/following him then immediately reaching inside his pocket for something.

I think choosing not to identify himself is gonna hurt George at trial.

[Adub]

Well it is all going to come down to George being a big fat liar. Easily provable.



Officer's Cellphone Pics Show Zimmerman May NOT Have Been Punched the Night he Killed Trayvon

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/03...ed-Trayvon

[username]

Interesting, Adub! One of the commenters there said if George was punched 25 times or so in the face (as he claimed) Trayvon's fists must have been made of nerf foam. and isn't it magic that none of George's blood or DNA ended up on T and T's hands didn't show any injuries consistent with throwing 25 punches.

I'm feeling better about this case. *fingers crossed*

[username]

I'd be interested in the gun enthusiast's opinions. There's speculation on that site that gun recoil might have caused George's facial injuries?

[Cynical Ninja]

I'm feeling better about this case. *fingers crossed*

Yeah have you noticed the zimmerman supporters have become quite tight lipped in the event of recent revelations?

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Interesting, Adub! One of the commenters there said if George was punched 25 times or so in the face (as he claimed) Trayvon's fists must have been made of nerf foam. and isn't it magic that none of George's blood or DNA ended up on T and T's hands didn't show any injuries consistent with throwing 25 punches.

I'm feeling better about this case. *fingers crossed*

Over the years I have been in more than a few knuckle sessions and have very few scars on my hands from them. Probably only 3 or 4 times have I even skinned them while beating the shit out of some D-Bag in a bar that hit a woman or some such. So marks on T's hands (or the lack thereof) doesn't man a lot. Unless T hit Z in the teeth there is only soft tissue involved. Ever seen one of these monkeys go off on someone? Usually it ends with the beater stradling the beatee and just wailing on him, no precision, no technique. Sloppy but effective on a downed opponent. The pics of Z's injuries support what I have seen.

As to the proposition that Z's 9mm recoil caused the injuries, Bullshit. A 9mm semi auto has very little recoil, its mostly taken up by the slide mechanism on the gun. About the only way I can see that happening is if Z had the gun up by his face when he pulled the trigger. If he pulled his gun from a waist holster while on his back I just can't see that happening. In addition, if his facial injuries were caused by his own weapon, there would have been skin and blood on the weapon along with a very distinctive traceable injury or print on Z's face from the front sight, top of the slide or whatever.

[username]

Over the years I have been in more than a few knuckle sessions and have very few scars on my hands from them. Probably only 3 or 4 times have I even skinned them while beating the shit out of some D-Bag in a bar that hit a woman or some such. So marks on T's hands (or the lack thereof) doesn't man a lot. Unless T hit Z in the teeth there is only soft tissue involved. Ever seen one of these monkeys go off on someone? Usually it ends with the beater stradling the beatee and just wailing on him, no precision, no technique. Sloppy but effective on a downed opponent. The pics of Z's injuries support what I have seen.

As to the proposition that Z's 9mm recoil caused the injuries, Bullshit. A 9mm semi auto has very little recoil, its mostly taken up by the slide mechanism on the gun. About the only way I can see that happening is if Z had the gun up by his face when he pulled the trigger. If he pulled his gun from a waist holster while on his back I just can't see that happening. In addition, if his facial injuries were caused by his own weapon, there would have been skin and blood on the weapon along with a very distinctive traceable injury or print on Z's face from the front sight, top of the slide or whatever.

Thanks Six! You would think after 25 punches though that T would have had George's blood at least on his hands, right?

As for the gun recoil, I'll take your word for it as I know nothing about the damn things. If you read the link that Adub posted, apparently there were two pinhole type injuries on the tip of T's nose. Somebody there was speculating those could have been caused by some part of the gun but it was just that, speculation.

[Duchess]

Bloody noses bleed...A LOT! If George is moving around in a fight & his nose is bleeding it's going to be on him & T. I don't think there is anyway around that. His face would have been smeared with it. Liar!

[Cynical Ninja]

Over the years I have been in more than a few knuckle sessions and have very few scars on my hands from them. Probably only 3 or 4 times have I even skinned them while beating the shit out of some D-Bag in a bar that hit a woman or some such. So marks on T's hands (or the lack thereof) doesn't man a lot. Unless T hit Z in the teeth there is only soft tissue involved. Ever seen one of these monkeys go off on someone? Usually it ends with the beater stradling the beatee and just wailing on him, no precision, no technique. Sloppy but effective on a downed opponent. The pics of Z's injuries support what I have seen.

I don't care if you are a short arse like me or a sixfootersez properly punching someone hard in the jaw or in the face hurts your hand. That's because its bone (your knuckles) against bone (their jawbone or skull, the skull also being one of the most dense and hard bones in the human body).

Back in the days of bareknuckle boxing very few blows were aimed at the face or head because of the damage to the hands caused by repeated blows. Most blows in bareknuckle boxing were aimed at the softer body that's why bouts could last so many rounds. Nothing to do with the fact they were “harder” in the good old days but due to the fact they would thump each other with body blows to the point of exhaustion. Not until the introduction of bandages and padded gloves did boxers begin to concentrate their attacks on their opponents jaw and head to try and knock him out.

Also as User mentioned T hit Z 25 times and didn't have a drop of Zs blood on his hands?

Erm...what?

[Adub]

Monkey

[F.U.]

As for the gun recoil, I'll take your word for it as I know nothing about the damn things. If you read the link that Adub posted, apparently there were two pinhole type injuries on the tip of T's nose. Somebody there was speculating those could have been caused by some part of the gun but it was just that, speculation.

Just so you can see the recoil of a 9mm KelTec handgun, here is a short video. If I remeber right this is the gun Z used.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezt_fs3lJS8

[F.U.]

Over the years I have been in more than a few knuckle sessions and have very few scars on my hands from them. Probably only 3 or 4 times have I even skinned them while beating the shit out of some D-Bag in a bar that hit a woman or some such. So marks on T's hands (or the lack thereof) doesn't man a lot. Unless T hit Z in the teeth there is only soft tissue involved. Ever seen one of these monkeys go off on someone? Usually it ends with the beater stradling the beatee and just wailing on him, no precision, no technique. Sloppy but effective on a downed opponent. The pics of Z's injuries support what I have seen.

I agree, About the only times I skin/tear my knuckles is if the other person is wearing glasses and I hit/break them. Or if I hit them hard enough to actually punch their teeth through their lips. Seldom have I tore my hands up just from busting some asshats nose or hooking a guy hard enough to knock him out.

[Cynical Ninja]

If T did punch Z in and around the piehole 25 times as some people seem to be suggesting then surely he would have had some injuries or damage to his hands?

And there has still been no attempt to explain how T didn't have any of Zs blood on his hands.

Anyone like to have a go?