GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[Cynical Ninja]

Property can be replaced.

Once you are dead its game over, no more romantic dinners, no more days at the beach, no more fried chicken, no more laughter of children.

I'm not risking my life for my TV and its a good TV 52” 3D LED very nice.

Fools rush in, sensible people sit back and claim insurance.

[sally]

I agree with HotD. Plus I don't live in an area where everyone is going to go off their fucking rocker after a hurricane.

[Duchess]

Duchess, the picture is derived from is his avatar and it is in every forum where he posts

It wasn't enough for you that I offered an almost immediate apology & edited your chop back into the post? Huh? You took the time to complain about what I had done but didn't take the time to say I had rectified my mistake, why is that? I did so within moments, not hours or days. You want to complain about me, that's absolutely fine, give me the courtesy of being direct instead of taking it to my Members.

Fuck you, Zero.

[ZEROSPHERES]

I'd look to see if they had skittles and ice tea in their hands and were just lost in my house trying to find their way back to their relative's home. Then I'd shoot.

[HairOfTheDog]

You were gracious about it, Duchess. It was a rectified non-issue within minutes. I didn't receive the complaint, thankfully.

For the record, I'm not gonna be cool about getting PMs trying to stir shit behind the scenes in order to malign other members or cause trouble on the board. From anyone. Under any circumstances.

Fucking lame. Period.

[Midwest Spy]

Most of the U.S's gun 'enthusiasts' live in more rural settings.

Not all, but most.

The people living in large urban areas, that interact with other people (schools, malls, grocery stores, etc), aren't packing heat on a daily basis.

The 2^nd Amendment folks are borderline whack jobs, who are definitely more concerned with their individual rights than looking at the big picture.

No one here has EVER said 'give up all your guns'.

It'll never register with them because they see 'society' already as an infringement on their personal rights. Government is a big old scary bad guy, simply taking from them.

Maybe if I grew up in a rural area, I'd understand.

I served our country for 7 years. I consider myself to be pretty reasonable.

I'll NEVER understand gun enthusiasts 'it's my way or the highway' mindset.

[ZEROSPHERES]

Duchess, the picture is derived from is his avatar and it is in every forum where he posts

It wasn't enough for you that I offered an almost immediate apology & edited your chop back into the post? Huh? You took the time to complain about what I had done but didn't take the time to say I had rectified my mistake, why is that? I did so within moments, not hours or days. You want to complain about me, that's absolutely fine, give me the courtesy of being direct instead of taking it to my Members.

Fuck you, Zero.

Where is this complaint? I responded to you in open forum as you had explained to me why you removed the chop in open forum. The statement that "it was derived from his avatar" was not a complaint but just a statement of fact and was not made for any other purpose. My response was not made to place you in judgment by the membership and I made it not expecting an apology or correction by you. I am surprised that you see it in any other way.

[Cynical Ninja]

At the end of the day if you get killed trying to protect your TV people aren't going to think “what a hero!” They are probably going to think “what a dick!” That will be your lasting legacy.

[F.U.]

Several things come into play in that scenario. First is my duty to retreat. I cant just start busting caps unless I am backed into a corner. Not that I want to just saying it is against the law to do so.

Second is the fact that most criminals are shitty shots. For instance during one of the shots fired calls last week ,one of the shooters was shooting at the cops. Well the cops found the empty shells right on the ground, but could not find the bulletholes, and no not 1 cop was hit, The did locate the bullethols eventually, that is after they looked up and noticed holes in the THIRD STORY WINDOWS! That's some pretty shitty shooting right there. The crooks don't train like a good portion of the firearm enthusiasts I know do. We train for situations that involve multiple targets and non threats ad well as moving targets and us shooting while running for cover. If and that's a big IF, I ever find myself in a situation like described, I have confidence in my training.

Third, if the looter did find my firearms in the rubble the odds of them also finding the ammo will be slim. Then throw in the fact that there is even a slimmer chance that these looters will be smart enough to know how to operate the gun they find in a quick enough time period to be any threat to me at all.

Contrary to what some of you think, I would not show up guns a blazing.

[HairOfTheDog]

Contrary to what some of you think, I would not show up guns a blazing.

Actually, that doesn't surprise me with you, F.U.

I imagine you to be acutely aware of your surroundings and one who'd think quickly on your feet before reacting.

[ZEROSPHERES]

You were gracious about it, Duchess. It was a rectified non-issue within minutes. I didn't receive the complaint, thankfully.

For the record, I'm not gonna be cool about getting PMs trying to stir shit behind the scenes in order to malign other members or cause trouble on the board. From anyone. Under any circumstances.

Fucking lame. Period.

What complaint are you talking about? This was a non-issue until expletives and accusations starting flying around today.

[HairOfTheDog]

You were gracious about it, Duchess. It was a rectified non-issue within minutes. I didn't receive the complaint, thankfully.

For the record, I'm not gonna be cool about getting PMs trying to stir shit behind the scenes in order to malign other members or cause trouble on the board. From anyone. Under any circumstances.

Fucking lame. Period.

What complaint are you talking about? This was a non-issue until expletives and accusations starting flying around today.

If you didn't make pissy complaints off the board about the petty quickly-rectified post-edit, good.

The "for the record" stands.

I don't wanna get bullshit behind the scenes complaints maligning other members. It's fucking lame, in my book. It doesn't merit any further discussion on or off the board. Leave it at that.

[ZEROSPHERES]

If you didn't make pissy complaints off the board about the petty quickly-rectified post-edit, good.

The "for the record" stands.

I don't wanna get bullshit behind the scenes complaints maligning other members. It's fucking lame, in my book. It doesn't merit any further discussion on or off the board. Leave it at that.

Then close it with the truth. Explain where the 'pissy complaint' is.

[HairOfTheDog]

I've already closed the issue.

There's no question of truth or prolonging of this dialogue required.

I don't owe you anything else, Zero.

[ZEROSPHERES]

I've already closed the issue.

There's no question of truth or prolonging of this dialogue required.

I don't owe you anything else, Zero.

I figured as much. There was no complaint and there was no 'pissy complaint' and that is the reason why you cannot or will not cite one. Better to close the issue than to disclose the truth. The 'non-issue' that became an issue was not my doing.

[Jimbone]

Santa claus? Balls!

The last time i checked Father Christmas didn't expect full repayment for every bow on every present he spirits down the chimneys of little kids every 25^th of December.

We repaid you, in full, every last frigging penny we British don't take handouts from people. Of course Britain was on the bones of its arse after WW2 we were on the frontline throughout the war, we endured the equivilent of Pearl Harbour EVERYDAY for MONTHS and YEARS.
That's why you yanks had a nationwide collective shitfit after ⁹⁄₁₁ you had never faced anything like it before well welcome to the real world motherfuckers! Only in America could a radio play about martians landing in New York could cause mass fucking hysteria you gullible little retards!

America would have been on the bones of its arse if it had been on the frontline. But as usual it wasn't so you can take your santa claus analogy and dangle.

Oh dear, you're completely uninformed. There was no charge for Marshall Plan money (they were in the form of grants), and no payment was required for the lend-lease support provided by the US to the UK. The repayment you are likely referring to was for the goods the UK wanted to keep after lend-lease ended. And those goods were paid for at 10% of their value... not that the UK could even afford that.

Thankfully, the US was kind enough to offer extremely reasonable terms. If I recall, the UK made their final payment in 2005 or 2006.

You may not like it, but you did take handouts from the US. There is absolutely no shame in it; your country was destructively impacted from the war.

Instead of being appreciative, you seem very angry about it. I get it though... it must drive you crazy that a land of 'gullible little retards' was instrumental in saving your bacon.

Even still, you're welcome!

As to America not being on the front lines... that's just more hyperbolic nonsense from a flailing argument. I assume you are referring to geography, which is of course a nonsensical observation. At great expense, America transported its fighting force to three continents fighting WW2. America fought in three war theaters, fought massive land and naval engagements. Not on the front lines, for real? You really expect anyone to take your anti-American ranting seriously?

Oh, and BTW... the Martians landed in New Jersey, not New York. Your ability to be void of simple facts is truly remarkable!

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I wouldn't show up guns a blazing either. Matter of fact I wouldn't have to show up, I would never have left in the first place.
That said, I would never fire one shot and call it good, my 45 has 8 for a reason, SIngle Shots are for the range.
As F.U. stated, most of the criminals are terrible marksmen, evidenced by every drive by you ever see in the paper, multiple shots fired, no injuries etc..I am sure not going to worry about 5 or 6 looters showing up armed, one maybe. But l have also never seen a pack of assholes in a standup fight, drop one and the rest will run. Yes, my shit is worth defending, its mine, fuckem. They get one warning, then I go hot.
Thats one reason we train, as a responsible gun owner most of you anti gun folks have pointed out multiple times, it would be irresponsible to Not be able to shoot and yet be carrying on the street.

[Duchess]

Where is this complaint? I responded to you in open forum as you had explained to me why you removed the chop in open forum. The statement that "it was derived from his avatar" was not a complaint but just a statement of fact and was not made for any other purpose. My response was not made to place you in judgment by the membership and I made it not expecting an apology or correction by you. I am surprised that you see it in any other way.

Zero, I wouldn't consider divulging a private conversation & I'm almost certain you know that.

You were aware that I immediately saw the error of my ways and had rectified my mistake. I gave you the courtesy of an apology within moments yet you still felt compelled to take it up with a Mocker. I wouldn't presume to know what moved you to do so but I know from others that this isn't the first time you have acted in a passive aggressive way behind the scenes, just because I don't call you out on it doesn't mean that I'm not aware of it.

[ZEROSPHERES]

Where is this complaint? I responded to you in open forum as you had explained to me why you removed the chop in open forum. The statement that "it was derived from his avatar" was not a complaint but just a statement of fact and was not made for any other purpose. My response was not made to place you in judgment by the membership and I made it not expecting an apology or correction by you. I am surprised that you see it in any other way.

Zero, I wouldn't consider divulging a private conversation & I'm almost certain you know that.

You were aware that I immediately saw the error of my ways and had rectified my mistake. I gave you the courtesy of an apology within moments yet you still felt compelled to take it up with a Mocker. I wouldn't presume to know what moved you to do so but I know from others that this isn't the first time you have acted in a passive aggressive way behind the scenes, just because I don't call you out on it doesn't mean that I'm not aware of it.

I see what happened now. And it is a misunderstanding. When you removed my 'chop' from the post I had been interacting with CN at the time. I did not expect that it would be reinstated, so I just sent it to him with the header, 'Duchess deleted this from the thread'. Now I don't see that as a pissy complaint nor do I see it as passive aggressive behaviour. I don't use expletives or ad hominem attacks as they are harmful if you care about the issue. The fact is that I sent him in a PM a response I had made in open forum that was edited out of the thread and I explained that it had been edited out and I did it before I saw your apology and your request to send it to you in a PM. There was no intention to be passive aggressive, only for him to see what I could not show him in open forum. I am going to forward you the PM chronology and a copy of my PM to CN to bare this out.

[sally]

Zero always sends me chopped pictures because I think they're funny, kind of the way LC liked to send me links about crimes in Fl since she knew I didn't look in the crime forum much. I believe she just wanted to show CN the one of SF and had no intentions of backstabbing Duchess or being passive aggressive about it being deleted.

And why would CN run back and tell Duchess about something so silly anyway? I think the little instigating, shit starter wanted to have a hen fight.