walking while black - Trayvon Martin

[HairOfTheDog]

I know Adub posted drugs that Z was taking but I think I heard he wasn't subject to a blood test that night so the prosecution won't be able to enter that. I dunno for sure.

A fire and EMS report says Zimmerman was on the medications Librax and Temazepam at the time of the incident.

Librax is a combination of two drugs, one that reduces stomach cramping and another drug that reduces anxiety. Temazepam is used to treat insomnia.

Since those are on record and the prosecution also got Zimmerman's full med list in pre-trial hearings, I don't think the fact that he wasn't tested that night absolutely negates the prosecution from presenting them at trial, if they can show relevance and support it with case law. But, I'm not sure either. Just speculating.

Will be interesting to see how the prosecution addresses the "impairment" issue.

[username]

I know Adub posted drugs that Z was taking but I think I heard he wasn't subject to a blood test that night so the prosecution won't be able to enter that. I dunno for sure.

A fire and EMS report says Zimmerman was on the medications Librax and Temazepam at the time of the incident.

Librax is a combination of two drugs, one that reduces stomach cramping and another drug that reduces anxiety. Temazepam is used to treat insomnia.

Since those are on record and the prosecution also got Zimmerman's full med list in pre-trial hearings, I don't think the fact that he wasn't tested that night absolutely negates the prosecution from presenting them at trial, if they can show relevance and support it with case law. But, I'm not sure either. Just speculating.

Will be interesting to see how the prosecution addresses the "impairment" issue.

My faith in the prosecution at this point is minimal. I don't know, even if they could, that they'd have the intelligence to bring in G's medicated state.

[F.U.]

I know Adub posted drugs that Z was taking but I think I heard he wasn't subject to a blood test that night so the prosecution won't be able to enter that. I dunno for sure.

A fire and EMS report says Zimmerman was on the medications Librax and Temazepam at the time of the incident.

Librax is a combination of two drugs, one that reduces stomach cramping and another drug that reduces anxiety. Temazepam is used to treat insomnia.

Since those are on record and the prosecution also got Zimmerman's full med list in pre-trial hearings, I don't think the fact that he wasn't tested that night absolutely negates the prosecution from presenting them at trial, if they can show relevance and support it with case law. But, I'm not sure either. Just speculating.

Will be interesting to see how the prosecution addresses the "impairment" issue.

My faith in the prosecution at this point is minimal. I don't know, even if they could, that they'd have the intelligence to bring in G's medicated state.

I agree, I am disapointed in them also. I was looking forward to listening to the fact/events of that night but they botched their jobs so bad I dont think we will ever really know what went down then. If I didn't know better I would think Old man Z hired both sides for his sons defense.

[Cynical Ninja]

Yeah the fact we are no further forward about what actually happened that night means the prosecution have fucked up big time. They had various and numerous opportunities to ask some pertinent questions mentioned by various members in this very thread and they didn't.

I watched some footage of the ME in court today and I have never heard a man of supposed science fucking waffle on as much as he did.

[BlueTiki]

Hey . . . is the jury gonna see Industrial Light and Magic's version of tubbie's beating, by the hands of Skittles, today?

[Jimbone]

I'm all for slamming the prosecution when it's warranted, and I know HotD won't agree with me here either... but my opinion is that they are doing the best they can. The prosecution doesn't seem incompetent, they seem to be working with what little they have.

There was a reason they weren't in a hurry bringing this case to court: the witnesses and available facts did not contradict the story that the surviving witness told them. And for all of our opinions and fervor on either side of the equation, that's exactly how it is playing out in court. The testimony is not supporting the charge, and the case is not going well for the prosecution. Witnesses aren't being terrible... they are testifying to facts as they know them. And to his credit, the defense attorney has been doing a very good job on cross examining and re-direct it seems.

You don't have to believe Zimmerman, and you can think he is a big, fat, obnoxious liar. But even in the best case scenario for the prosecution, the facts and testimony put forth didn't come close to showing he was lying. The facts - and lack of hard, provable evidence - never supported the charge.

IMO, this is why the case was going nowhere before the demonstrations and politics got going. And I'll bet eventually someone close to the case will be intellectually honest enough to say it.

[username]

IMO, this is why the case was going nowhere before the demonstrations and politics got going. And I'll bet eventually someone close to the case will be intellectually honest enough to say it.

O'Mara is already inferring that by pointing out that Trayvon's family listened to the 911 calls in the mayor's office and specifically excluded the then Chief of Police.

Regardless, I still have complaints with the way the prosecution is handling the case but I've stated them before so I won't repeat it. These guys are no Juan Martinez.

ETA: I can just imagine what Juan would have done with that woman who referred to George as Georgie. He would have had her babbling about their inappropriate relationship if not her odd need to treat a grown man like a child. He would have fucking grilled these people. Even the Vietnam vet. "Sir, you're telling me that hearing men scream in battle 25+ years ago makes you an expert at picking out one man's voice today...really? Is it possible sir that you suffered some traumatic brain injury"?

Or the uncle that heard George on the t.v. and without knowing ANYTHING about the case, immediately recognized his nephew's voice from a room away. Puhleeze.

[BlueTiki]

IMO, this is why the case was going nowhere before the demonstrations and politics got going.

O'Mara is already inferring that by pointing out that Trayvon's family listened to the 911 calls in the mayor's office and specifically excluded the then Chief of Police.

These guys are no Juan Martinez.

Surprise! A PC prosecution! Get the fuck out! No way!

BTW - Martinez didn't seal the deal.

[username]

IMO, this is why the case was going nowhere before the demonstrations and politics got going.

O'Mara is already inferring that by pointing out that Trayvon's family listened to the 911 calls in the mayor's office and specifically excluded the then Chief of Police.

These guys are no Juan Martinez.

Surprise! A PC prosecution! Get the fuck out! No way!

BTW - Martinez didn't seal the deal.

I added to my post. I really enjoyed watching Juan. He was a bastard...I liked it. I guess that's part of my issue with this prosecution; they're too damn nice.

I'm not sure what you mean with regards to Juan (we're on a first name basis) not sealing the deal. Granted he had tons of evidence to work with (unlike this case) but he meticulously laid it out and made most of the defense witnesses look like idiots. I give him a lot of credit. I imagine if he had been on the case, Casey Anthony wouldn't have walked. Just my opinion.

[Duchess]

I saw that twat Pers interview O'Mara last night. For one split second I felt bad when he said that no matter what happens George will never be free...and then I came to my senses.

[BlueTiki]

I'm not sure what you mean with regards to Juan (we're on a first name basis) not sealing the deal.

I'm sorry . . . what was Arias' sentence, again?

I've seem to have had a bit of memory loss in my haste to post.

As I see it, he left ducks on the pond.

[username]

I'm not sure what you mean with regards to Juan (we're on a first name basis) not sealing the deal.

I'm sorry . . . what was Arias' sentence, again?

I've seem to have had a bit of memory loss in my haste to post.

As I see it, he left ducks on the pond.

Snarky. It's not over yet but I think the best prosecutor would have a very difficult time getting the death penalty for a young woman. Since I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, that's never been a big deal for me. I'm satisfied that she's gone and hopefully out of the public eye forever. I kind of think it's a shame she'll be back for another penalty phase.

[BlueTiki]

. . . I think the best prosecutor would have a very difficult time getting the death penalty for a young woman.

Point: He got NO sentence.

This trial's goal IS a sentence. A conviction just won't do.

Skittle's crowd wants more than a pound of light skinned flesh to atone for the "Man's" atrocities perpetuated against the good brothers and sistas throughout the centuries.

[HairOfTheDog]

Jim, you've made it clear from the start that you believe George Zimmerman was innocent/justified, he's a political scapegoat, and he should never have been charged. I will always think that charges were merited, regardless of politics, and that the jury should decide. We are both far from alone in holding those opinions. 'Tis cool.

Now, here are some corrections and disagreements with your last post:

Delays: The delays to trial were requested by the defense, over and over, until Judge Nelson put her foot down. That's not unusual for the defense in any case, but it's a fact in this case as well. It wasn't the prosecution asking for extensions/delays.

Prosecution case/witnesses: If you saw Dr. Bao (a key expert witness for the state) testify and you don't think there's a problem with the prosecution's preparation of its witnesses, we aren't watching the same trial. He was the most extreme of many examples.

The validity of the case: Here's the evidence that the jury has seen/heard in the trial so far, in support of the state's charges, though IMO it's been very sloppily and disjointedly presented.

-A 28 year old man admitted following a boy in his "late teens" (Zimmerman's words) against the clear and repeated instruction of Neighborhood Watch protocols (Neighborhood Watch Liaison and Zimmerman supporter's testimony)
-The 28 year old man chose consciously not to identify himself as NW to the teen (Zimmerman's words)
-The man's description of the beating he took at the hands of the teen (head slammed repeatedly against concrete, dozens of punches to the face) do not match the "insignificant injuries" he actually suffered, as testified by the Chief ME.

Couple those proven facts with the defendant's wrong assumption (proven by his own words) that the teen was one of "those fucking punk assholes who always get away", and the prosecution has a valid case for manslaughter and possibly one for Murder 2. IMO.

Manslaughter is still a very real possibility to me. Murder 2 is a stretch, based on how the state's evidence has been presented at trial so far. Acquittal is also a very real possibility to me. A lot is now riding on the prosecution's ability, in closing arguments, to tie together the testimony of evidence delivered by some ill-prepared witnesses in a disjointed fashion. IMO.

While I believe that charges in this case were merited, that doesn't mean the state can prove its theory beyond reasonable doubt, or that its theory is accurate. That's what the trial is all about.

In any case, I still believe that whatever verdict the jury delivers will be based on how 6 different people, with different viewpoints and personal influences, view/weigh the evidence and testimony, and their interaction in deliberating to reach a consensus/decision. This case is far from cut and dry like a lot of others - no verdict will surprise or rile me.

(Yeah, it's an 'effin novel length post, shoulda seen it pre-edit).

[username]

A CNN reporter stated that the defendant's medical expert is eviscerating the prosecution's case today.

*sigh*

[BlueTiki]

A CNN reporter stated that the defendant's medical expert is eviscerating the prosecution's case today.

You seem surprised.

Perceived fear . . . not actual bruises . . . is the litmus test for use of deadly force.

One man's alleged beating is another's slap and tickle.

Remember . . . Arias claimed physical abuse and wagged a bent finger to prove it!

Contradictory opinions . . . whooda guessed?

[Duchess]

(Yeah, it's an 'effin novel length post, shoulda seen it pre-edit).

That is a wonderful post, well written & well thought out. You said everything I've thought and you presented it in a manner that far exceeded anything I could have come up with.

George is going down.

[username]

A CNN reporter stated that the defendant's medical expert is eviscerating the prosecution's case today.

You seem surprised.

Perceived fear . . . not actual bruises . . . is the litmus test for use of deadly force.

One man's alleged beating is another's slap and tickle.

George is a pussy. *nods*

[Duchess]

George is a pussy. *nods*

Uh huh. You & I coulda had him sobbing for his mama in sixty seconds flat.

[BlueTiki]

George is a pussy. *nods*

I've never stated or indicated otherwise.

Unfortunately, the more of a pussy you are, the higher the incidences of perceived fear.

"Thank You SYG law for allowing me to use deadly force without having to piss or shit myself, first!"