SHE WAS RAPED WITH A STEEL ROD

[username]

I'm surprised that 4 of them got the death sentence. Maybe the public pressure will actually cause some change.

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm surprised that 4 of them got the death sentence. Maybe the public pressure will actually cause some change.

I hope that the new laws and the more vocal outrage of Indian citizens serves as a deterrent to would-be rapist/murderers. And, for those pieces of shit who aren't deterred, that the changing criminal and social climate regarding rape in India results in more convictions and appropriate sentences (regardless of how low or high the victims and perpetrators rank in India's caste system).

This terrible story has been all over the international news for several days.

Snip:
Katra village, India -- Mourners sat on mud floors at a village in India where two teen girls were gang-raped and then found hanging from a mango tree. They wailed and talked of fears of more attacks.



The assault on the cousins, ages 14 and 16, sparked outrage in the community in Uttar Pradesh state.

The mother of one of the girls said her daughter wanted to become a doctor to escape grinding poverty. The attackers, she said, deserved the same fate that befell her daughter. "Hang them in public," she said.

In the northern village where the attack occurred, crowds surrounded the girls for hours after their bodies were found Wednesday. They accused authorities of siding with the suspects and blocked them from taking the girls down from their nooses unless arrests are made.

Authorities later arrested five men -- three brothers and two police officers -- who are facing rape and murder charges, said R.K.S. Rathore, a senior police officer.

In addition, the officers face charges of conspiracy in the crime and negligence of duty after villagers accused them of failing to respond when they first pinpointed the suspects.

An autopsy confirmed that the girls had been raped and strangled, according to authorities.

Toilets are rare in the village, forcing women to wander away into fields in the dead of night.

Indians have more access to mobile phones than to toilets, according to a United Nations report four years ago. "India has some 545 million cell phones, enough to serve about 45% of the population," according to the U.N.

But it also has the highest number of people in the world -- an estimated 620 million -- who defecate in the open, according to UNICEF. The lack of indoor plumbing leaves women in rural areas vulnerable to frequent rapes and beatings.

"It is a tragic irony to think that in India, a country now wealthy enough that roughly half of the people own phones, about half cannot afford the basic necessity and dignity of a toilet," said Zafar Adeel, who chairs the organization U.N.-Water.

Full story: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/31/world/...gang-rape/

[Duchess]

I often think that people on that side of the world don't value life.

[HairOfTheDog]

Murderers and rapists have little regard for the lives of others no matter where they live. I often see comments by people outside of the US making the statement about Americans not valuing life in relation to shooting deaths and gun laws here.

In this case, I'm glad to see that the poor villagers bravely stood up for their girls and challenged the corrupt police -- they valued the lives of those girls and fear for their own lives.

Two police officers among the suspects -- pisses me off.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I often think that people on that side of the world don't value life.

That part of the world has had a caste system in place for 1000's of years that did nothing but create a permanent underclass of people that are there to be abused. They have always had and still do Child Slavery.
Life has meant nothing there unless you were rich.

[Duchess]

That part of the world has had a caste system in place for 1000's of years that did nothing but create a permanent underclass of people that are there to be abused. They have always had and still do Child Slavery.
Life has meant nothing there unless you were rich.

...and that's precisely why I hope there is nothing to that reincarnation bullshit. I'd be afraid I'd come back into the black hole of Calcutta.

[HairOfTheDog]

I often think that people on that side of the world don't value life.

That part of the world has had a caste system in place for 1000's of years that did nothing but create a permanent underclass of people that are there to be abused. They have always had and still do Child Slavery.
Life has meant nothing there unless you were rich.

Some of their laws are seriously effed up (IMO) and slowly being updated, sometimes as a result of massive global exposure and public outcry (as happened in the case of Duchess' OP story).

I agree with you that the caste system treats the poorer Indian citizens with less dignity than those in higher castes (which is really the defining principle of the caste system). It's also still, AFAIK, nearly impossible to change castes because one's status is inherited.

But, India is a very religious Hindu country -- religion plays a huge part in day to day life, regardless of caste. And, the high value placed on life by Hindus extends to animals, as well as other humans. Karma is also a big part of the typical Indian's belief system.

So, I thinks it's an inaccurate statement that life in India means nothing unless you're rich. The poor people in the raped/hanged girls' village value life. The government of India pushed for immediate apprehension and arrest of the suspects. The country is outraged over the crimes.

Lifestyle is very different and how you're regarded is largely contingent on caste in India, and there are some POSs who prey on others everywhere -- the easier and more vulnerable the prey, the better. In India, individuals from lower castes are probably easier targets for messed up individuals who don't value life in the first place, IMO.

Anyway, I hope these girls' loved ones get appropriate criminal justice and think there's a good chance that they will (just like the family of the higher-caste victims in the thread OP).

I'm not defending the caste system -- I find it deplorable. Just that the caste system isn't to blame for what this gang of assholes did and their willingness to take lives, they are responsible and there would be people like them regardless of the social/economic system.

[HairOfTheDog]

This terrible story has been all over the international news for several days.

Snip:
Katra village, India -- Mourners sat on mud floors at a village in India where two teen girls were gang-raped and then found hanging from a mango tree. They wailed and talked of fears of more attacks.



The assault on the cousins, ages 14 and 16, sparked outrage in the community in Uttar Pradesh state.

The mother of one of the girls said her daughter wanted to become a doctor to escape grinding poverty. The attackers, she said, deserved the same fate that befell her daughter. "Hang them in public," she said.

In the northern village where the attack occurred, crowds surrounded the girls for hours after their bodies were found Wednesday. They accused authorities of siding with the suspects and blocked them from taking the girls down from their nooses unless arrests are made.

Authorities later arrested five men -- three brothers and two police officers -- who are facing rape and murder charges, said R.K.S. Rathore, a senior police officer.

In addition, the officers face charges of conspiracy in the crime and negligence of duty after villagers accused them of failing to respond when they first pinpointed the suspects.

An autopsy confirmed that the girls had been raped and strangled, according to authorities.

Full story: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/31/world/...gang-rape/

UPDATE:

Very weird -- talk about a plot twist. It's now being reported that the hangings were actually a result of suicide motivated by shame and the girls' families may be charged.

Snip:
India's top investigative agency said Thursday that two teenage girls believed to have been raped and hanged by attackers in a north Indian village actually committed suicide because of shame over a relationship with a boyfriend.

An earlier probe by local police and post-mortem reports were incorrect, and five innocent men were arrested, said Kanchan Prasad, spokeswoman for the Central Bureau of Investigation, India's FBI.

Six months ago, images of the girls' bodies hanging from a tree in their village of Katra in Uttar Pradesh state shocked the country, long inured to violence against women.

The night the girls died, the younger girl had called her cousin's boyfriend and suggested they go to a local fair. The three left their homes after dinner, Prasad said.

Later, the older girl and her boyfriend were caught by one of her relatives as they were about to have sex in a nearby field, she said.

The girls apparently committed suicide because they were afraid of the reaction of their families and the stigma attached to what they had done, the spokeswoman said. Indian villages are extremely conservative and such a scandal would be difficult for a family to bear.

The CBI will hand over its findings to a court, which will decide whether to prosecute the families of the girls for filing a false police complaint, she said.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/27...ps=gravity

[Donovan]

Ugh. It's awful what stigmas religious and cultural conservatism place on sex.

[Duchess]

One of the men convicted of raping the woman who inspired this thread has blamed the attack on her, he said if she hadn't fought back she'd still be alive. Fucker.

One of the men convicted of raping and killing a woman in a brutal 2012 gang attack on a New Delhi bus said in a TV documentary that if their victim had not fought back she would not have been killed.

Instead, the 23-year-old woman should have remained silent, said Mukesh Singh, who was driving the bus for much of the time that the woman was being attacked.

"Then they would have dropped her off after 'doing her,'" he said in a documentary being released next week. The filmmakers released transcripts of the interview, which was recorded in 2013, on Tuesday.

"A girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy," he said, according to the transcripts. "A decent girl won't roam around at 9 o'clock at night .... Housework and housekeeping is for girls, not roaming in discos and bars at night doing wrong things, wearing wrong clothes."

The woman and her friend were returning home from seeing a movie at an upscale mall when they were tricked by the men into getting on the bus, which they'd taken out for a joyride. The attackers beat her friend and took turns raping the woman. They penetrated her with a rod, leaving severe internal injuries that caused her death.

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[HairOfTheDog]

^ That just makes my blood boil.

I hope that fucker loses his death penalty appeal.

He deserves to die, the sooner the better.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Asshole...

[Duchess]

Worse.

I'm totally down with some of those archaic, medieval punishments when it comes to those I'd like to see punished.