GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[HairOfTheDog]

Oops, sorry dude...



A 30-year-old man allegedly killed his friend by mistake when he attempted to shoot at the bulletproof vest the friend was wearing and missed, reports CBS Baltimore.

Mark-Anthony Sandang Ramiro, of Baltimore, was denied bail Tuesday in the shooting death of Darnell Mitchell, 28.

The incident, which occurred on July 16, was captured on film. According to Baltimore police, Ramiro aimed for the bulletproof vest Mitchell was wearing, but shot above it, hitting the victim.

After walking to an area hospital, Mitchell was pronounced dead at 4:07 p.m., despite doctors' efforts, according to the station.

The defense claims the victim and suspect were drunk and high and made bad decisions.

Ramiro is being charged with first and second-degree murder.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-md-ma...roof-vest/

[Maggot]

Al Sharpton should be by soon claiming that it was the vests fault and probably made by a white owned company.

[Duchess]

Well...at least he won't be reproducing more shit for brains people.

[HairOfTheDog]

Al Sharpton should be by soon claiming that it was the vests fault and probably made by a white owned company.

Al's busy at the moment -- in NYC addressing the alleged racially-motivated choke-hold deaths at the hands of NYPD. Plus, I think he'd be satisfied with the charges on this one.

Mitchell (pictured below) was a married man with a baby. A married man with a baby, in his basement with two friends, getting drunk and stoned, and playing games with loaded guns -- taping it all as it went down.



Baltimore City State's Attorney's Office spokesman Mark Cheshire told Baltimore Sun city prosecutors sought the second-degree murder charge, but the court commissioner imposed an additional first-degree charge.

I'm sorry Mitchell died as a result of a stupid risky stunt. Sorry for him, his wife, his baby, his brother... But, I think Ramiro is being overcharged.

He's also facing a handgun charge -- that might have something to do with pushing for first-degree murder, but I agree with the prosecutors not the court commissioner. Mitchell chose to take the inherent risk in serving as a bullet target and invited himself to be shot at (even bragged about it in the video). Bad gamble. At most, Ramiro should be charged with second degree murder, in my opinion, based on what's been released.

[Duchess]

I have some compassion for those that cared about him & even for the shooter but not so much for him.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

The shooter was just as stupid and irresponsible as the victim, fuckem.

[Duchess]

I'm feeling a little lazy right now or I'd go track down the story - there was a shooting at a hospital today and the shooter killed a woman, it would have been a lot worse except for the pistol packing Dr.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

A hospital case worker was killed and a doctor and a suspect wounded Thursday during a shooting at a Philadelphia-area hospital, according to county authorities.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/...story.html

The shooting was reported at 2:30 p.m. at the Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center on the campus of Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital in Darby, Pa., according to Delaware County Dist. Atty. Jack Whelan, who spoke at a news conference after the incident.


Doctor fired back at Philadelphia-area hospital shooter, police believe

The suspect, identified by officials as Richard Plotts of Upper Darby, Pa., was a patient at the hospital’s psychiatric unit. He was escorted into the unit by his 53-year-old female case worker, who he allegedly shot and killed.

After entering, the suspect got into a loud argument with a doctor and the case worker in a private examination room, where staff members saw him draw a gun. Moments later, staff members reported gunshots, reentered the examination room and tackled the suspect. Police arrived shortly thereafter.

Investigators suspect the doctor may have returned fire with his own weapon, but are waiting for him to be released from the hospital to speak with him. He was reportedly grazed by a bullet.


“This is what we believe occurred, but the only person who can confirm this is the doctor,” Whelan said.

The doctor and the suspect are being treated at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. The doctor is expected to be released, and the suspect is still in surgery.

Police have found both weapons, Whelan said.

Hospital employees reported previous incidents between Plotts and hospital staff, although they said they had no indication that he was armed or dangerous when he arrived today, authorities said. Whelan did not know whether he had a criminal record

Another crazy fuck with a gun

[SIXFOOTERsez]

oops

[HairOfTheDog]

Here a moron, there a moron...



A kindergarten student in Pennsylvania brought a loaded revolver to school on Monday, according to authorities. Police in Aliquippa, a city northwest of Pittsburgh, said the gun was found in the 5-year-old's backpack after a friend told a teacher about it.

The family of the child who brought the gun to school is defending him, saying that the boy found the gun on a bed at home and wanted to keep it away from his 3-year-old brother.

The boy has been suspended, but family friends told WPXI that it was an accident.

“He put it in his book bag and forgot it was in there... For them to say he’s aggressive, that’s a lie,” the boy's godmother, Nicole Lutle, told the station. “It’s not that this child was bad. It’s not that this child had a temper because all of that is a lie.”

A letter was sent Tuesday to the homes of all other parents who had kids at the school, but some of them were upset that they didn't know about the incident sooner. “That’s not good enough. We need to know when it happens,”

“My son, they all ride the bus together. I feel really scared for him,” said Darryce McCoy.

Police are weighing whether or not the child's mother should face charges. (HOTD: charge the negligent bitch already.)

Earlier this year, a Pennsylvania woman faced charges, including reckless endangerment after her 6-year-old unknowingly brought a loaded gun to school.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/weap...y-school-3^rd-day-y/ng84m/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/28..._ref=crime
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It doesn't matter that the kid's not bad, FFS.

I don't know if there's a specific policy about kids bringing guns to the kindergarten -- sad that there would need to be one. Either way, it's ignorant as hell that godmomma, the kinfolk and the family friends aren't as riled up that a loaded gun was left on the bed so junior could purposely toss it in his pack and supposedly 'accidentally' take it to school and show his friend.

Buncha morons. Lucky the 3-year-old, the kindergartner, nor anyone else was shot.

[Cheyne]

~Respectfully snipped~

The family of the child who brought the gun to school is defending him, saying that the boy found the gun on a bed at home and wanted to keep it away from his 3-year-old brother.

Police are weighing whether or not the child's mother should face charges. (HOTD: charge the negligent bitch already.)

It doesn't matter that the kid's not bad, FFS.

I don't know if there's a specific policy about kids bringing guns to the kindergarten -- sad that there would need to be one. Either way, it's ignorant as hell that godmomma, the kinfolk and the family friends aren't as riled up that a loaded gun was left on the bed so junior could purposely toss it in his pack and supposedly 'accidentally' take it to school and show his friend.

Buncha morons. Lucky the 3-year-old, the kindergartner, nor anyone else was shot.

So...did Mama and Godmama think that explaining that the 5 year old was keeping the gun from the 3 year old would make things better? The mother needs to be charged with neglect at least and child endangerment.

[HairOfTheDog]

So...did Mama and Godmama think that explaining that the 5 year old was keeping the gun from the 3 year old would make things better? The mother needs to be charged with neglect at least and child endangerment.

Yeah, it's difficult for me to imagine why there would be any hesitation in filing neglect charges against the mother and/or her live-in boyfriend, no matter how/why a five-year-old ended up packing one of their loaded guns at kindergarten.

ETA: Just read an update. It appears police are still determining whether to charge the mother and boyfriend, as of a couple of days ago. The boy was suspended for one day. http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/2014/08/29...t-at-home/

[Cutz]

the gun was found in the 5-year-old's backpack after a friend told a teacher about it.

“He put it in his book bag and forgot it was in there...”

This is what happens when people from the border of Pittsburgh and West Virginia try to rationalize things.

[HairOfTheDog]

This is what happens when people from the border of Pittsburgh and West Virginia try to rationalize things.

I saw this in the news today; smart kid (he's from Colorado).



^ Seventeen-year-old Kai Kloepfer's idea for a finger-print sensitive smart gun came to him in a dream. This week, the Colorado teen won a $50,000 grant from the Smart Tech Challenges Foundation with the hopes of bringing that vision to life.

"All you have to do is pick the firearm up and the way you naturally rest your hand on the firearm unlocks it," he says. "So you don't have to swipe or anything like that."

The design uses fingerprint sensors to prevent anybody but the gun's owner from firing a bullet. Because the gun can be programmed to store an unlimited number of owners, Kloepfer's invention could even be used by police forces and military units.

Ref: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/11...ps=gravity

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If his invention is viable and became widely used, I could see it being effective in reducing accidental shootings by children, gun thefts, etc...

[Carsman]

This is what happens when people from the border of Pittsburgh and West Virginia try to rationalize things.

I saw this in the news today; smart kid (he's from Colorado).



^ Seventeen-year-old Kai Kloepfer's idea for a finger-print sensitive smart gun came to him in a dream. This week, the Colorado teen won a $50,000 grant from the Smart Tech Challenges Foundation with the hopes of bringing that vision to life.

"All you have to do is pick the firearm up and the way you naturally rest your hand on the firearm unlocks it," he says. "So you don't have to swipe or anything like that."

The design uses fingerprint sensors to prevent anybody but the gun's owner from firing a bullet. Because the gun can be programmed to store an unlimited number of owners, Kloepfer's invention could even be used by police forces and military units.

Ref: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/11...ps=gravity

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If his invention is viable and became widely used, I could see it being effective in reducing accidental shootings by children, gun thefts, etc...

Seems like a great idea if, it becomes viable. However, one thing that could hinder the invention is COST. If the gun were to cost $10,000, $8,000, even $3,000 may prove to be prohibitive to many. It would have to be priced competitively with guns that did not have this feature.
Not to mention, thugs get their guns illegally, and would not care if, or even want the guns to have the improved feature. Time will tell.

[HairOfTheDog]

There are definitely logistics and details that would need to be worked out before the teen's invention would be executable, Cars. I agree. Same with any concept.

But, most of the accidental shooting deaths and injuries caused by children don't involve illegally-obtained guns; at least the majority of those that I come across. Most of them occur when kids are enabled to get their hands on a gun.

"We can't lock up our loaded guns to increase our children's safety because someone could come crashing into our house and we need to be able to shoot them immediately". "We are in deep mourning -- our now-dead son found a loaded gun in a drawer and we didn't even know he could shoot it." "We taught our 7-year-old gun safety, but she still shot her little brother". Those arguments and circumstances which lead to accidental shootings would be irrelevant if the kid was unable to fire because his/her fingerprints hadn't been activated on the gun.

So, the Colorado teen's invention has the potential help reduce accidental shootings/deaths. Interesting to see where it goes.

[Cutz]

Three things
1) The kid lied about it coming to him in a dream, it came from Judge Dredd or another movie with biometric safe guns. He's still a smart kid considering he engineered the details himself, but it's an old idea.

2) There would still be some dumb parent out there that programs their kids' fingerprints onto the guns so they can teach them to use guns safely... but yes, it would drastically reduce the number of kid gun accidents, hopefully.

3) Cost will be a debatable factor. In a free market, prohibitive cost is an issue and yeah criminals don't care about non-lethal improvements to guns. However, regulations can be a bitch, and if the state or federal government says that EVERY gun manufacturer has to include safety measures... at least it'd be a step forward for the future. The guy who invented mufflers cashed in the same way.

Criminals would probably find ways around them, importing from Mexico or jailbreaking the tech, but 7 year olds probably wouldn't be that smart. Course, they put kid-proofing on lighters and people take those off.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Hell, most of the adults can't even set the clock on the VCR, the kids will be thrones teaching the adults how to program the gun, LOL.

Nah, this kids idea has merit, no doubt. He didn't invent the idea, its been around a very long time.
Cost will be an issue, the gun has to perform or the discerning gun owner will not be interested. The folks likely to leave a gun laying about where a kid can get to it probably will not be smart enough to use these. Might catch on, don't see why it wouldn't except for cost and engineering that works and doesn't break.
I would think about getting one just for the cool factor but it would have to be a Quality gun and it would have to work Really well.

[HairOfTheDog]

LORAIN, Ohio -

In a statement to police, the father of a 3 year-old girl who was shot in the back of the head, Jeremy Morales, said two unknown black males wearing all black with black hoodies came to the door of the home, pointed a gun and began to shoot. Morales said his daughter was struck by one of the shots before the suspects fled in an unknown direction. <---- That was a huge 'effin lie.

Police say the 3-year-old girl is in critical condition after being shot in the head by her 4-year-old brother, who found a gun in a dresser. The shooting occurred around 10 a.m. Sunday in Lorain, about 30 miles west of Cleveland. Police say the two children were playing alone in a bedroom when the boy found a loaded .40-caliber handgun.

The police report says the 4-year-old boy was crying when they arrived and that he repeatedly told an officer he was sorry.

The mother, Angelica Melendez, told police that Morales keeps a handgun in the home for protection, but doesn't know where he keeps it. She told police she heard a loud bang, then she and Morales ran into the children's bedroom to find the girl bleeding from the head. Melendez suspected one of the children found Morales's gun and mistook it for one of their numerous toy guns.

Lorain police Capt. Roger Watkins says the investigation will be turned over to the Lorain County prosecutor's office to determine if criminal charges will be filed.

Story: http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/lor.../18402469/
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I hope the little girl survives and the 4-year-old boy isn't fucked up for life for what he did to his sister.

"Determining if criminal charges should be filed" should be a no-brainer, even if the father hadn't lied to police about it initially, IMO.

Did an adult leave a loaded weapon (legally-owned or not) in reach of unattended toddlers? Yep. Then it's child neglect and there should be legal consequences, irregardless of the fact that the parents may already be in pain because of what happened as a result of their negligence.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Strike number 47 for this guy, so many stupid mistakes and more dead kids