GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[Adub]

And now she is dead. That is all I keep thinking.

[F.U.]

Maybe I am cold hearted, but these sort of shootings don't bother me. Other than the fact that the child will forever be scared with the fact that they killed their parent.
If I were to get shot by my own gun tomorrow, don't blame the child and don't blame the gun, blame my dumb ass.

[HairOfTheDog]

Your dumb ass will be rightfully blamed whether a child kills you with your loaded firearm or, worse, kills him/herself with it.

No one with half a brain, whether they be warm or cold hearted, blames the child or blames the gun alone in these such cases, IMO.

The blame always lies with the negligent adult for leaving a loaded gun in reach of a child. Without the combination of the adult's negligence AND the adult's loaded gun, the incident couldn't have happened and, in this case, 4 small children would have been spared seeing their mom/aunt shot to death and having to grow up without her.


Her name was Veronic Rutledge, she was 29. Aside from the negligence with guns, she was by all accounts a good mother and aunt and a very smart lady. What a waste. RIP.

The fact that this terrible and preventable shooting death went down at the effin' Walmart makes it somehow even more pitiful to me. Poor kids.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/de...-wal-mart/

[Duchess]

Is it true that certain small handguns have no safeties on them?

I just read that she was a nuclear scientist so this was no dumb bunny, not that it matters at this point, smart or dumb, dead is dead.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Is it true that certain small handguns have no safeties on them?

I just read that she was a nuclear scientist so this was no dumb bunny, not that it matters at this point, smart or dumb, dead is dead.

Yes thats true. Generally wheel guns: Revolvers, do not have a safety. They are either a single action so you have to manually pull the hammer back and then pull the trigger, or a double action so all you have to do is pull the trigger. The trigger pull on a single action revolver can be very light so that its conceivable that a 2 yr old could accidentally pull the trigger if it was on full cock, but I really doubt it could happen if the hammer had been down. A double action revolver you can work same as with a single, or with the hammer down you can pull the trigger to operate the gun, however this entails a Lot more trigger pressure and movement than a 2 yr old is going to be able to do.
Some Auto's do not have safeties either, some glocks and others. I am not a glock guy so not very familiar with them. Most autos have a safety though.
No idea what type of gun she had, but it is readily apparent that she didn't do something right. Bad idea to run around with a revolver cocked. I carry my auto with the safety off, but hammer down. One less thing to do if the need arises. All my revolvers happen to be double action, so no safety, but hammer down. The big ones, the 44's and the 357 take a Lot of trigger pull to send the first round down range.

[HairOfTheDog]

Is it true that certain small handguns have no safeties on them?

I just read that she was a nuclear scientist so this was no dumb bunny, not that it matters at this point, smart or dumb, dead is dead.

It's not been released what kind of gun she was carrying.

It is confirmed that she and her husband were gun enthusiasts and carried at all times. She had her gun with her when she took her son and nieces to Walmart because she loved guns, not for protection (according to her family).

Her husband got her a purse with a zip pocket for Christmas. She had her gun in that purse inside the pocket, according to the husband. That's not secured or locked -- it's just a purse with a zippered pocket marketed to gun lovers.

Anyway, they're a gun family, like a lot of folks in Idaho, according to her father-in-law. He's upset that people are labeling Veronica "irresponsible" for leaving a loaded unsecured gun in reach of her child and other children -- he says it was a tragic accident. It sure was a tragic accident, one that could have been prevented if his seemingly very lovely and intelligent daughter-in-law hadn't been so irresponsible and negligent with guns around children.

So now Veronica's husband has an inquisitive 2-year-old boy, one who'd been exposed to guns and taught about gun safety, who is not doing well at all without his mother and will have to deal with having killed her for the rest of his life.

The story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morni...-wal-mart/

[F.U.]

Is it true that certain small handguns have no safeties on them?

I just read that she was a nuclear scientist so this was no dumb bunny, not that it matters at this point, smart or dumb, dead is dead.

Yes thats true. Generally wheel guns: Revolvers, do not have a safety. They are either a single action so you have to manually pull the hammer back and then pull the trigger, or a double action so all you have to do is pull the trigger. The trigger pull on a single action revolver can be very light so that its conceivable that a 2 yr old could accidentally pull the trigger if it was on full cock, but I really doubt it could happen if the hammer had been down. A double action revolver you can work same as with a single, or with the hammer down you can pull the trigger to operate the gun, however this entails a Lot more trigger pressure and movement than a 2 yr old is going to be able to do.
Some Auto's do not have safeties either, some glocks and others. I am not a glock guy so not very familiar with them. Most autos have a safety though.
No idea what type of gun she had, but it is readily apparent that she didn't do something right. Bad idea to run around with a revolver cocked. I carry my auto with the safety off, but hammer down. One less thing to do if the need arises. All my revolvers happen to be double action, so no safety, but hammer down. The big ones, the 44's and the 357 take a Lot of trigger pull to send the first round down range.

Many of the new semi autos are safetyless. Or some, such as glock, or Springfield XD's [like I use as a primary carry] have safety's that are incorporated into the trigger. Glock has just the trigger safety and has had a reputation of going off when it is getting holstered and/or getting unholstered. The safety on a glock is built right into the trigger. It will not go off if dropped. However as soon as you press against the trigger, either with the finger or even a sloppy holster, etc, they go bang.
A XD on the other hand has two safety's. One in the trigger, like the glock, but another in the backstrap, like a 1911. That means that the pistol must be held buy the grip buy a hand that is large enough to hold down the backstrap safety while pressing the trigger safety. That is one reason I carry a XD.
But there are others that have no manual safety at all and use a heavy trigger pull as the safety , much as a double action revolver uses. These trigger pulls are usually around 12 - 15 lbs of pressure. For those that know nothing about those numbers I will just say that is a lot of pressure to be placed on a trigger. Most semi autos and single action revolvers have trigger pulls down in the single digits. I think my XD is 2.5 lbs.

Here is a pic of a glock trigger safety . The safety is the little flipper that sticks out from the front of the trigger.





Here are the two safety's on a XD.







Not that this post makes any difference. I was just showing a couple different types of safety's on the newer semi autos.

[Cynical Ninja]

It's true what some people said at the time, if the sandy hook massacre won't change yanks attitude towards guns then nothing will.

Baby shoots and kills mother? That's fine as long as I can keep my AK47.

[ramseycat]

CN, the gun issue is not that simple. I think most legal gun owners are responsible. But I do think that sometimes people get too complacent. They are used to carrying. They are probably very careful at home and secure their weapons properly. But the one time they let their vigilance slide, shit happens. This lady was obviously careless in this situation. Her purse should have been on her person at all times.

FU, do you think Coach makes a bag with a gun pouch for me?

[SIXFOOTERsez]

I believe they do

[F.U.]

I'm not sure if coach makes one right now Kitten. If they don't I bet it wont be long before they do. With all the $ to be made from this market I am sure there will be few that don't jump on the bandwagon.
They are even making bras with built in holsters now.

[Midwest Spy]

I didn't know that nuclear scientists and Wal-Mart were bedfellows.

Seems like an odd coupling to me.

[Duchess]

According to what I read she was visiting the area for the holiday and had taken the kids to Walmart to spend giftcards they had received.

[blueberryhill]

I am not sure about gun pouches in handbags, but maybe "they" will come up with a disposable body bag for all the people who are killed by their guns because of careless handling of weapons. You know, being a nuclear scientist doesn't mean you have common sense.. These disposable body bags will resolve problem of having to clean Aisle 5 and won't interfere too much with the shoppers.

[blueberryhill]

Have to run now to my neighbor's house for New Year's Eve. I am taking food and wine.
Happy New Year everyone!

[sally]

I didn't know that nuclear scientists and Wal-Mart were bedfellows.

She's probably a jew.

[HairOfTheDog]

Happy New Year Honey!



Story:
Peachtree City (Georgia) Police responded to the home of Chief William McCollom at approximately 4:17 a.m. ET on New Years Day, Lt. Mark Brown said in a news conference.. He has served for a year as chief of the police department. Brown said. McCollom is a "well-liked, well-loved chief," Brown said. Peachtree City, a city of 35,000, is about 30 miles southwest of Atlanta.

Lt. Mark Brown said in a news conference that McCollom called 911 saying he accidentally shot his wife, Margaret McCollom, with his service weapon. The victim was airlifted to Atlanta Medical Center after officers arrived, according to Brown. She's in critical condition and unable to speak with investigators.

McCollom reportedly told a 911 dispatcher he had shot his wife twice. However, investigators found the woman to have been shot only once (in the couple's bedroom), Lang stated. Investigators would not say where the victim was struck. McCollom has been placed on administrative leave.

The chief has not been charged for the shooting but charges are possible depending on the results of the GBI investigation, Scott Ballard, Fayette County District Attorney, said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/geor...ar-n278081
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Why would the chief tell the 911 operator that he "accidentally" shot his wife twice instead of once? IF he fired twice but only hit once, how is that an "accident"? I hope Mrs. McCollom lives to tell.

[JsMom]

I was thinking the same damn thing. *sniff, sniff* I smell bs.

[ramseycat]

No one believes it was an accident.

[F.U.]

I am not sure about gun pouches in handbags, but maybe "they" will come up with a disposable body bag for all the people who are killed by their guns because of careless handling of weapons. You know, being a nuclear scientist doesn't mean you have common sense.. These disposable body bags will resolve problem of having to clean Aisle 5 and won't interfere too much with the shoppers.

Floor drains and water access in every isle should speed up clean up time also.