POLICE BRUTALITY CASES: WALTER SCOTT MURDER & MORE

[HairOfTheDog]

Easy there User. You're going to get HoTD whipped up into a froth again with that kind of talk.

There's no froth, Gunnar, but keep trying.

User expresses her opinion and makes her points.

I understand her point on this one -- NC police seem to be responding swiftly and appropriately to a wrongful death at the hands of one of their police officers.

I haven't had time to read the latest news yet, so I don't know if the protestors are protesting the shooting itself as opposed to the police handling of the matter. I could understand the former.
In any event, protests and demonstrations don't froth me up like they do you and some others -- that's just the way it is...

So... You believe the protestors should protest the way the police are appropriately handling the situation. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

I like you Gunnar. But, seriously, I posted a very clear comment this morning which answers your off-base rhetorical question. I can't make the point any clearer than I did, and you still couldn't grasp it or don't want to. I'm not gonna repeat it or highlight the post for you. Missing the point and seeing what you want to see is a pattern for you, from my observation.

Yesterday you whipped yourself into a froth with your first post in this thread. In so doing, it doesn't appear you even read the thread title and made the connection. So, your ranting reaction to a portion of my response to it was amusing to me, albeit misdirected.

Anyway, I can't make you read or comprehend and I'm not interested in changing your views, just expressing mine. So, we can leave it at that.

Yeah, your post I quoted wasn't contradictory at all. It's all on me. Clearly.

Really Gunnar? That's just plain sad.

From here on out, you're on your own. This is your one free remedial comprehension lesson from me.

A.The fact that a cop shot an unarmed community member in the back 5 times (possibly within a system that enabled the cop to think he could lie and get away with it) is one thing. People might protest that shooting. <-- That would be protesting brutality and murder by a public servant and/or public service organization whose purpose is supposed to be to serve and protect the community.

B. How the leaders in charge of the city and/or the police force respond to the case of police brutality and murder-by-cop is a separate but related issue. If people were unsatisfied with the leaders' response, they might protest against those leaders and their response.

So you see, Grasshopper, even if a person is satisfied with leadership's response to the murder (B), he or she might well be compelled to protest the murder itself (A).

[Jimbone]

All I know is, if I were a cop I'd wear several body cams.

[Blindgreed1]

There's no froth, Gunnar, but keep trying.

User expresses her opinion and makes her points.

I understand her point on this one -- NC police seem to be responding swiftly and appropriately to a wrongful death at the hands of one of their police officers.

I haven't had time to read the latest news yet, so I don't know if the protestors are protesting the shooting itself as opposed to the police handling of the matter. I could understand the former.
In any event, protests and demonstrations don't froth me up like they do you and some others -- that's just the way it is...

So... You believe the protestors should protest the way the police are appropriately handling the situation. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

I like you Gunnar. But, seriously, I posted a very clear comment this morning which answers your off-base rhetorical question. I can't make the point any clearer than I did, and you still couldn't grasp it or don't want to. I'm not gonna repeat it or highlight the post for you. Missing the point and seeing what you want to see is a pattern for you, from my observation.

Yesterday you whipped yourself into a froth with your first post in this thread. In so doing, it doesn't appear you even read the thread title and made the connection. So, your ranting reaction to a portion of my response to it was amusing to me, albeit misdirected.

Anyway, I can't make you read or comprehend and I'm not interested in changing your views, just expressing mine. So, we can leave it at that.

Yeah, your post I quoted wasn't contradictory at all. It's all on me. Clearly.

Really Gunnar? That's just plain sad.

From here on out, you're on your own. This is your one free remedial comprehension lesson from me.

A. Protesting the fact that a cop shot an unarmed community member in the back 5 times (and possibly the system that enabled the cop to think he could lie and get away with it) is one thing. <-- That's protesting brutality and murder by a public servant and/or public service organization whose purpose is supposed to be to serve and protect the community.

B. Protesting how the leaders in charge of the city and/or the police force respond to a case of police brutality and murder-by-cop is a separate but related issue.

So you see, Grasshopper, even if a person is satisfied with leadership's response to the murder (B), he or she might well be compelled to protest the murder itself (A).

I believe it's much simpler than all of that. You just support protesting anything. Nothing wrong with that I guess. I get it. People like to protest everything and as Americans we all have the right to do it. I think the way the family of the victim has reacted is appropriate and I think the LEO are acting appropriately in this case. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the cop murdered this guy (regarless of what color the cop and victim are), and he is being charged with that murder. Protest away protestors!!!

[Duchess]

I can't help but wonder just how many times cops have murdered people and gotten away with it. I'm so disgusted and it affects how I feel about LEO's in general.

[Maggot]

Probably a lot less than a career criminal. But we wont go there, it would be against the current dichotomy. I'm not saying the cop was right in this case before I'm classed into some category that relies on individual preference.

[Duchess]

Probably a lot less than a career criminal.

...but that's what bad people do. It's always been that way, bad people do bad things. Cops and others who hold a badge are supposed to be above that. Don't you see a difference?

[Maggot]

Yes I do, and doctors take an oath also. But sometimes they forget. Lawyers on the other hand were born at sea and become flesh eaters by nature.
This copper is a bad guy. I agree.

[HairOfTheDog]

I believe it's much simpler than all of that. You just support protesting anything. Nothing wrong with that I guess. I get it. People like to protest everything and as Americans we all have the right to do it. I think the way the family of the victim has reacted is appropriate and I think the LEO are acting appropriately in this case. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the cop murdered this guy (regarless of what color the cop and victim are), and he is being charged with that murder. Protest away protestors!!!

That's right, Gunnar. Other people get to speak freely and protest as THEY see fit in this country, just like you.

And, you're right -- I don't typically have a problem with individuals, crowds, or organizations exercising those Constitutional rights, even when I don't agree with their viewpoints or the notion that a protest is necessary.

You, on the other hand, seem to get perturbed often by people doing and saying things with which YOU don't agree or approve. So, you're frequently protesting here the fact that people are protesting elsewhere (and failing to recognize the irony and the unintended punch line in the process).

It's always been just that simple and entertaining.

[username]

The dash cam video is out. It doesn't change a thing for me. Apparently the cop was courteous, the guy sat in his car, started to get out once, was told to get back in and a few moments later got out and ran.

Stupid, stupid, STUPID but it doesn't justify his death.

Here ya' go...

[HairOfTheDog]

^ Yeah, the dashcam video doesn't change anything for me either.

It was already known that Walter Scott dashed (presumably for fear of being arrested for unpaid child support). That in no way justifies Slager unloading his service weapon into the back of a fleeing unarmed Walter Scott.

The dashcam contradicts what Slager reportedly claimed initially - that a violent encounter had gone down before Walter fled. It also looks like there's a passenger in Walter's car. Wonder what he or she has to say?


Anyway, Walter's mom and brother ^ are completely torn up. They're planning to sue the police force, I believe. But, they don't want Walter's death turned into a circus with Al Sharpton as the ringleader; they "do not want another Ferguson". Walter's family has asked shit-stirrin' Al to stay away and let them grieve. Good for them.

Ref: http://www.floridanewstime.com/regional/...ntion.html

[Duchess]

GoFundMe shut down an account that was registered to help the cop. Hehehe.

[Duchess]

I watched the video. With very little effort the cop could have easily tackled him rather than plugging him with a bunch of bullets.

[HairOfTheDog]

I watched the video. With very little effort the cop could have easily tackled him rather than plugging him with a bunch of bullets.

One of the things that struck me when I watched the shooting video the first time was the casualness of Officer Slager's movements and actions. He displays no sense of urgency, no sense of confusion, no apparent emotion. Stand, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, then saunter on over to Walter and yell at him to put his hands behind his back. That's how it struck me and it's surreal to watch.

Slager had Walter's car and was running his ID when Walter dashed. It's not like Walter was an unknown suspect running from a murder scene while shooting at police or anything.

Very disturbing that this kinda shit still goes down.

[Duchess]

Very disturbing that this kinda shit still goes down.

It's horrible and I believe if it weren't for the video he would be getting away with murder.

I saw a video yesterday morning, I can't recall if it took place in Philly or Jersey but the cops have got a man subdued on the ground and they are beating the crap out of him and then sic'ed the police dog on him. The man was doing nothing! He was flat on the ground. Again, the video was recorded by a bystander. So sick of this shit.

[Blindgreed1]

I believe it's much simpler than all of that. You just support protesting anything. Nothing wrong with that I guess. I get it. People like to protest everything and as Americans we all have the right to do it. I think the way the family of the victim has reacted is appropriate and I think the LEO are acting appropriately in this case. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the cop murdered this guy (regarless of what color the cop and victim are), and he is being charged with that murder. Protest away protestors!!!

That's right, Gunnar. Other people get to speak freely and protest as THEY see fit in this country, just like you.

And, you're right -- I don't typically have a problem with individuals, crowds, or organizations exercising those Constitutional rights, even when I don't agree with their viewpoints or the notion that a protest is necessary.

You, on the other hand, seem to get perturbed often by people doing and saying things with which YOU don't agree or approve. So, you're frequently protesting here the fact that people are protesting elsewhere (and failing to recognize the irony and the unintended punch line in the process).

It's always been just that simple and entertaining.

I'll get behind your protest of "a bad thing happened to an innocent man" when more people start protesting children that die from cancer. Deal?

[HairOfTheDog]

I don't typically make dumb deals, Gunnar.

Most days, including today, I wouldn't be interested in your deals when you're clearly not boasting a full deck.

Keep on shuffling...

P.s. Even funnier than your protest of those who protest is your protest of those who don't protest those who protest. And the "dead cancer children trump dead shooting victims!" diversionary spiel is also some funny short-sighted bullshit.

[Blindgreed1]

I don't typically make dumb deals, Gunnar.

Most days, including today, I wouldn't be interested in your deals when you're clearly not boasting a full deck.

Keep on shuffling...

P.s. Even funnier than your protest of those who protest is your protest of those who don't protest those who protest. And the "dead cancer children trump dead shooting victims!" diversionary spiel is also some funny short-sighted bullshit.

It's really not funny at all. You want to support a protest because a bad thing happened to an innocent guy. Bad things happen to people every day. Kids dying from cancer is a bad thing and makes about as much sense to me to protest. Bad things shouldn't happen to children. Protest it!

[Donovan]

Cancer doesn't tend to only attack certain color kids. Or stage things so that it looks like the kid was smoking and therefore deserved cancer. Or lie and say it wasn't cancer at all but an unfortunate end to a physical confrontation where the kid attacked cancer and cancer felt threatened. Or accidentally give the wrong kid cancer because he happens to look like a different kid who cancer says really does deserve cancer because he was bad. Or violently break into houses, apartments and cars where kids are minding their own business in order to give them cancer.

I could go on.

[Blindgreed1]

Cancer doesn't tend to only attack certain color kids. Or stage things so that it looks like the kid was smoking and therefore deserved cancer. Or lie and say it wasn't cancer at all but an unfortunate end to a physical confrontation where the kid attacked cancer and cancer felt threatened. Or accidentally give the wrong kid cancer because he happens to look like a different kid who cancer says really does deserve cancer because he was bad. Or violently break into houses, apartments and cars where kids are minding their own business in order to give them cancer.

I could go on.

This argument, as well as HoTD's is based on supposition and speculation that this was a race crime. There have been no facts presented in this case that prove one way or another that this wasn't simply an idiot with a badge who murdered an innocent man and tried to cover his ass. If those facts are presented and proven, then by all means protest. Until that happens (or doesn't) it's mob rules mentality no matter how you slice it. Right now its just a bad thing that happened to an innocent man. Take the color out of it guys so you can see more clearly.

[HairOfTheDog]

I understand people protesting unwarranted violence by police against community members (whether those community members be children or adults, of any color). It's true, I support people pushing for change and a better system (improved candidate screening, training, monitoring, accountability...) to reduce unwarranted police brutality as much as possible.

I also understand people choosing to work with cancer patients, people organizing and participating in cancer research fund-raisers, people volunteering at children's hospitals and the Make A Dream Foundation. It's true, I support people pushing for change and a better system (earlier detection, better understanding of the causes, better and more effective treatment options...) to reduce the number of cancer deaths as much as possible.

The absurdity of your comparisons and your tunnel vision when your interest obviously lies more with being seen as "right" than with the subject matter at hand is definitely funny to me, Gunnar. What's not funny is the subject matter itself.

So, whether one considers your limitations funny or sad, you've made it clear that you are unable to understand how the same person can support different strategies for reducing deaths at the hands of cops, reducing deaths as a result of cancer (and for that matter -- reducing deaths as a result of domestic violence, reducing deaths as a result of hunger, reducing deaths as a result of gun negligence, etc...). No matter your limitations, it's true Gunnar -- not everybody is as one-dimensional as you've positioned yourself to be.