GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[F.U.]

MS is as extreme as FU.

You're trolling me right?

Its all good MS. Extreme is good. Who wants to be a run of the mill, average sheep?

There are evil people in this world who do cowardly things.

Do I want to see all responsible gun owners punished for the actions of a tiny percentage?

No, however, I don't really know what the alternative is.

Remember, the victims of gun violence had rights too. The right to Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness.

They're dead now, and their families have holes in their hearts that will probably never heal.

Gun folk say 'it's not the gun'.

Yes it is.

I don't remember the stat from up thread, but it was a staggering number of shootings in a very recent span of time.

You, Six, Maggot are clearly not the problem, but none of you really even acknowledge that there IS a problem.

There's no easy solution, other than maybe going back to institutionalizing people the way we did a half century ago.

But, that would take the govt getting involved in that business too. Outrage & uproar would follow. 'How dare you lock Jimmy up, he wouldn't hurt a fly.'

Then we're right back to where we are now.

Very loose rules which allow just about anyone to slip through the cracks, buy a gun & ammo, & kill as many people as they can.

You don't have to buy a gun, you can build a shotgun for about 10 bucks right at home depot.


ETA . . . I bet this would get right into a school because it looks like junk. A pocket full of shells and this would do a lot of damage.

[Duchess]

Any animal will work. I could have used jackasses, but then I thought a sheep is much nicer.

So those who aren't fearful as you are, are barnyard animals? I want to be clear on this.

[F.U.]

Any animal will work. I could have used jackasses, but then I thought a sheep is much nicer.

So those who aren't fearful as you are, are barnyard animals? I want to be clear on this.

call them what you want.

ETA ... My point was , who wants to be average? I don't want to be a cookie cutter run of the mill average person.

Oh I get it now, you thought I was referring to people in the middle of this gun debate. No nonononono. I am referring to people in general. I am extreme at almost everything I do. I push the envelope every chance I get. That's what I was talking about.

[HairOfTheDog]

I'm curious as to your take on Gunnar's contention that technology, smart guns, is a key solution to the gun violence problem F.U.

Would you agree to turning in your existing guns in exchange for the same number of smart guns with the same functionality and capacity?

[F.U.]

I think there is a place for smart guns in our society. My only issue with turning in my current guns and replacing them with smart guns is that I am the keeper of a very nice collection of my family's Winchesters that are being added to and handed down generation to generation [4 generations at this point]. Those could not be replaced. All the rest of my guns are just tools and hold no sentimental value. So I would listen to any and all offers involving anything but my Winchesters. That really shouldn't be a problem because the Winchesters are all shotguns except 1 and that is a lever action rifle.

[Blindgreed1]

I'm curious as to your take on Gunnar's contention that technology, smart guns, is a key solution to the gun violence problem F.U.

Would you agree to turning in your existing guns in exchange for the same number of smart guns with the same functionality and capacity?

No, a free upgrade of his existing munitions.

[Blindgreed1]

I think there is a place for smart guns in our society. My only issue with turning in my current guns and replacing them with smart guns is that I am the keeper of a very nice collection of my family's Winchesters that are being added to and handed down generation to generation [4 generations at this point]. Those could not be replaced. All the rest of my guns are just tools and hold no sentimental value. So I would listen to any and all offers involving anything but my Winchesters. That really shouldn't be a problem because the Winchesters are all shotguns except 1 and that is a lever action rifle.

Exactly. I never suggested that gun owners turn in their current weapons, but rather have them fitted with the technology. HoTD assumes a lot.

[F.U.]

I think there is a place for smart guns in our society. My only issue with turning in my current guns and replacing them with smart guns is that I am the keeper of a very nice collection of my family's Winchesters that are being added to and handed down generation to generation [4 generations at this point]. Those could not be replaced. All the rest of my guns are just tools and hold no sentimental value. So I would listen to any and all offers involving anything but my Winchesters. That really shouldn't be a problem because the Winchesters are all shotguns except 1 and that is a lever action rifle.

Exactly. I never suggested that gun owners turn in their current weapons, but rather have them fitted with the technology. HoTD assumes a lot.

I actually like that idea BG. I don't know how it would all work out , but some engineer could probably make it work.
Then all those guns out there right now would have to be brought to gunsmiths like me to be fitted with the new technology. That would be big bucks for guys like me.

[F.U.]

I do see one fear in the smart gun concept though. Extremists like me will always wonder weather there is a hidden program built in the new system so that the Gov can shut the gun down when ever they want. Just saying that subject would be brought up.

[F.U.]

I don't know how many of you know this, but Taurus has started installing a internal gun lock in their handguns. A few years back the started installing a locking system that renders the handguns inoperable. Even if the gun is fully loaded it wont fire. I like that idea.

http://www.taurususa.com/security-system.cfm

[HairOfTheDog]

Exactly. I never suggested that gun owners turn in their current weapons, but rather have them fitted with the technology. HoTD assumes a lot.

HOTD assumes very little, Gunnar. I'm pretty literal. You just miss a lot.

Did I say that (a) YOU proposed replacing old guns with new ones? Or, or did (b) I, HOTD, ask F.U. if he'd be willing to do so after accurately restating your contention that smart technology is a key solution to reducing gun violence?

Read my two-sentence original comment carefully and take your time before answering -- I have faith that you might come up with the correct answer.

Anyway, I could see how legislating mandatory new smart technology for all guns (old and new) could reduce gun violence if it meant only the legal owner could fire the gun through fingerprint recognition, or something like that.

I know a lot of crime is committed with stolen or illegally/unknowingly transferred guns.

[Blindgreed1]

I think there is a place for smart guns in our society. My only issue with turning in my current guns and replacing them with smart guns is that I am the keeper of a very nice collection of my family's Winchesters that are being added to and handed down generation to generation [4 generations at this point]. Those could not be replaced. All the rest of my guns are just tools and hold no sentimental value. So I would listen to any and all offers involving anything but my Winchesters. That really shouldn't be a problem because the Winchesters are all shotguns except 1 and that is a lever action rifle.

Exactly. I never suggested that gun owners turn in their current weapons, but rather have them fitted with the technology. HoTD assumes a lot.

I actually like that idea BG. I don't know how it would all work out , but some engineer could probably make it work.
Then all those guns out there right now would have to be brought to gunsmiths like me to be fitted with the new technology. That would be big bucks for guys like me.

Most gun enthusiasts do like the idea, because it enables them to keep their weapons, and for the collectors, something as simple as a micro print on the firing pin (because collectors items are rarely fired) would be non invasive and wouldn't hurt the value of the weapon. I believe the fingerprint technology is not only doable, bout could be fitted for the owners hand on the hand grips for hand guns i.e. hand guns must be fitted with grip ID technology and rifles fitted with a thumb print scanner. There will always be paranoia, but if it keeps kids from getting killed at school and responsible gun owners like yourself didn't have to worry about losing their collections it would be worth it.

[blueberryhill]

Maggot, you and others on here are just a bunch of ole' coots who need to update your thinking.
Your friggin' 2^nd amendment rights do not trump my right to pursuit of happiness and living without fear of being shot dead.
We have undermined our own society by not controlling law and order and those that fear the Government need medications as I have said numerous times, rather than their weapons. Violence begets violence....and I think mothers and fathers are tired of losing their children in yet another school shooting. I do believe that the current grass roots efforts of the majority of people in the U.S. will soon be powerful enough to make a difference in the current lax gun rules in our country. Every phone number of every Congressman has been published so that you can call that guy or gal and make your wishes known re gun control....Eventually, we will return to common sense, get tighter laws, tighter executions of laws pertaining to what some people erroneously think is their God given right to carry a weapon. Get over yourself and think in terms of what is best for the masses, not your own selfish ass.

[Maggot]

The 2^nd amendment protects all the other ones.

[F.U.]

Now see its being talked about/to like BBH just did that gets my goat and makes me stand up and say hell no. I will resist with every thread of my being. [ I know that post wasn't directed to me, but I wanted to comment about it] When talked to nicely and asked to discuss my opinions on what will help I am more apt to sit down and have that discussion. But get ignorant and start calling me names and I will say screw you, talk to yourself. Just something to keep in mind.

[F.U.]

I think there is a place for smart guns in our society. My only issue with turning in my current guns and replacing them with smart guns is that I am the keeper of a very nice collection of my family's Winchesters that are being added to and handed down generation to generation [4 generations at this point]. Those could not be replaced. All the rest of my guns are just tools and hold no sentimental value. So I would listen to any and all offers involving anything but my Winchesters. That really shouldn't be a problem because the Winchesters are all shotguns except 1 and that is a lever action rifle.

Exactly. I never suggested that gun owners turn in their current weapons, but rather have them fitted with the technology. HoTD assumes a lot.

I actually like that idea BG. I don't know how it would all work out , but some engineer could probably make it work.
Then all those guns out there right now would have to be brought to gunsmiths like me to be fitted with the new technology. That would be big bucks for guys like me.

Most gun enthusiasts do like the idea, because it enables them to keep their weapons, and for the collectors, something as simple as a micro print on the firing pin (because collectors items are rarely fired) would be non invasive and wouldn't hurt the value of the weapon. I believe the fingerprint technology is not only doable, bout could be fitted for the owners hand on the hand grips for hand guns i.e. hand guns must be fitted with grip ID technology and rifles fitted with a thumb print scanner. There will always be paranoia, but if it keeps kids from getting killed at school and responsible gun owners like yourself didn't have to worry about losing their collections it would be worth it.

As I sat here thinking about the smart gun technology I got to wondering how a fingerprint would work. I mean they would have to have the ability to be set and reset. They would have to be set for the original buyer and then reset if and when they were ever sold. SOoooo if that is the case what would stop a bad guy from learning the system and resetting a stolen guns print?

[crash]

Legislation taking my rights as an American citizen away. Fuck that. I don't even own a gun, but I reserve my right to if I choose. The issue that needs to be addressed is the mentally ill. Not my fucking rights.

And that moronic sense of entitlement is the whole fucking problem.


The issue is that way too many people in your country die from gun related violence or accidents. I don't have the figures, and tbh, I can't be assed going to look for them, but I'd wager that the gun deaths due to mental illness of the shooter are a low percentage of the total.

[F.U.]

Legislation taking my rights as an American citizen away. Fuck that. I don't even own a gun, but I reserve my right to if I choose. The issue that needs to be addressed is the mentally ill. Not my fucking rights.

And that moronic sense of entitlement is the whole fucking problem.


The issue is that way too many people in your country die from gun related violence or accidents. I don't have the figures, and tbh, I can't be assed going to look for them, but I'd wager that the gun deaths due to mental illness of the shooter are a low percentage of the total.

Its just population control. After all we have to make room for the wetbacks from the south and the rag heads from the east.

[HairOfTheDog]

But get ignorant and start calling me names and I will say screw you, talk to yourself. Just something to keep in mind.

Did you not call everyone who supports the Australian model a pansy ass?

Good thing they're not too sensitive to continue talking to others, even in contentious debate, or else a lot of good discussion would be foregone.

Just something else to keep in mind.

[HairOfTheDog]

Its just population control. After all we have to make room for the wetbacks from the south and the rag heads from the east.

And you were just drawing your line in the sand in regards to ignorance and name-calling by others.

Knucklehead!