GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[F.U.]

Since we had a few conversations about gun storage I wondered what everyone's opinion of these glass front cabinets are.

[Carsman]

Since we had a few conversations about gun storage I wondered what everyone's opinion of these glass front cabinets are.

The glass case displays the guns nicely, and seems like it would not be to hard for someone to get those guns if they really wanted them!

[SIXFOOTERsez]

My long guns are all in sleeves or bags in closets, the handguns are all over the house out of site except for 2 on my desk and the 45 I carry

[F.U.]

I have to agree with you Cars. About the only thing I can see them good for is keeping a child from accidently gaining access. Well that and keeping the dust off the firearms. If a person really wanted in it would be pretty easy. I don't see them as being much different than those pop can safes they sell at the local box stores. I can be in one of those in under 3 minutes with nothing more than a hammer, screwdriver and a set of tin snips.

[HairOfTheDog]

I can see locked glass-front display cabinets making it easier to be responsible for keeping track of your guns and keeping them out of reach of small children. But, they won't likely do much to deter theft or stop someone desperate from gaining access. Locked display cabinets aren't gun safes.

This is similar to the 2 gun safes my uncle had in his basement, along with a barred-window and deadbolt-locked gun room upstairs.

[Blindgreed1]

Since we had a few conversations about gun storage I wondered what everyone's opinion of these glass front cabinets are.

Let me just say that if I were breaking into your home to steal something, after seeing what you have there, You'd be cleaning shit off your floor and broken glass off your patio because with a collection and organized ammo boxes like that, there's no doubt whatsoever that you'd kill a mother fucker if you caught them. Booby traps would also be a huge concern.

[F.U.]

I can see locked glass-front display cabinets making it easier to be responsible for keeping track of your guns and keeping them out of reach of small children. But, they won't likely do much to deter theft or stop someone desperate from gaining access. Locked display cabinets aren't gun safes.

This is similar to the 2 gun safes my uncle had in his basement, along with a barred-window and deadbolt-locked gun room upstairs.

I agree with the gun safes being better than a gun cabinet. But at least these will keep the little ones from gaining access. And that was one concern mentioned in previous comments. I finally brought these two down from my house in town so that at least a few are under lock and key. I also took several handgun cases and moved all my handguns into them [one is the silver one on the top of the right gun cabinet] . Only issue I can see with that is that now they are easier to "grab and go" should I be broken into.
Oh well, I guess I can say, its a start.

[F.U.]

Since we had a few conversations about gun storage I wondered what everyone's opinion of these glass front cabinets are.

Let me just say that if I were breaking into your home to steal something, after seeing what you have there, You'd be cleaning shit off your floor and broken glass off your patio because with a collection and organized ammo boxes like that, there's no doubt whatsoever that you'd kill a mother fucker if you caught them. Booby traps would also be a huge concern.

That made me giggle BG. I actually have many more guns [but they are just hanging on the walls in the old school gun racks] and much more ammo than that and it is in ammo boxes and labeled like that also. It makes it easy to grab what you need when heading to the range.

[Blindgreed1]

Since we had a few conversations about gun storage I wondered what everyone's opinion of these glass front cabinets are.

Let me just say that if I were breaking into your home to steal something, after seeing what you have there, You'd be cleaning shit off your floor and broken glass off your patio because with a collection and organized ammo boxes like that, there's no doubt whatsoever that you'd kill a mother fucker if you caught them. Booby traps would also be a huge concern.

That made me giggle BG. I actually have many more guns [but they are just hanging on the walls in the old school gun racks] and much more ammo than that and it is in ammo boxes and labeled like that also. It makes it easy to grab what you need when heading to the range.

Old scars bro.

[Blindgreed1]

Good thing the kid was able to get to his mothers pistol.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/11/aut...tcmp=hpbt3

[HairOfTheDog]

^ Yeah, that story and photos were posted a couple of days back in the CRIMES QUASHED BY CITIZENS thread, Gunnar.

http://mockforums.net/showthread.php?tid...#pid415318

[Blindgreed1]

^ Yeah, that story and photos were posted a couple of days back in the CRIMES QUASHED BY CITIZENS thread, Gunnar.

http://mockforums.net/showthread.php?tid...#pid415318

Cool, it bears repeating anyway.

[HairOfTheDog]

All immigrants should be screened vigorously. Its gets all the rocks and sticks out.

(^ Jumping off post from the 'Syria' thread)

Luckily, that rigorous screening is already in place for immigrants and has been for some time.

But, how about for temporary residence or visits to the U.S.? Well, if you're from one of the 38 Visa Waiver countries (which includes Belgium, by the way), you don't have to do an in-person interview and can be approved to travel to the U.S. on-line.
Source: List of Visa Waiver countries: http://www.esta.us/visa_waiver_countries.html

And, once you get here, you have Second Amendment rights too. You can legally purchase firearms in the U.S., even if you're on the Terrorist Watch List. Why? Because the NRA doesn't want Americans whose names appear on the list to have their gun rights infringed upon. Seriously.

The Government Accountability Office report found that between 2004 and 2014, 2,043 individuals whose names appeared on terror watchlists were able to purchase guns in this country – 91 percent of those who tried.
Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powe...watchlist/

The law blocks visa holders from other countries from buying these guns, but not travelers from the 38 visa waiver countries.

Does that make sense to anybody?

[Duchess]

Does that make sense to anybody?

No, that doesn't make sense, it's insane! Why would anyone think that's okay? My God. The more I learn about some of this stuff the more disgusted I get. Whatta crock of shit that is.

[HairOfTheDog]

No, that doesn't make sense, it's insane! Why would anyone think that's okay? My God. The more I learn about some of this stuff the more disgusted I get. Whatta crock of shit that is.

I understand that being on the watchlist doesn't make one guilty of a crime.

But, neither does being court-declared mentally ill or being dishonorably discharged from the military; yet those individuals cannot legally purchase firearms because they're deemed a high risk to public safety.

You'd think being suspected of terrorist activity/proclivity would be considered as great or greater risk. At least, I would.

Still, any U.S. resident/citizen or visitor from one of the 38 visa waiver countries can buy firearms without restriction if their background check clears.

[HairOfTheDog]

Lawmakers have introduced bills over the years to try to prevent suspected terrorists from purchasing firearms and explosives. None, however, have passed because of strong opposition by the gun lobby.

The National Rifle Association which opposed previous bills, argued that the watchlist is too broad because it includes people who are still being investigated by authorities.

The American Civil Liberties Union opposes the terrorist watchlist program completely and calls the watchlisting process "unfair." “The federal government’s watchlist system lacks the kind of narrow, specific criteria and rigorous safeguards that would help protect innocent people from the negative consequences of blacklisting," said Hugh Handeyside, a staff attorney with the ACLU National Security Project. "Instead, the criteria are overbroad, ensnaring innocents, and the system as a whole is unfair and bloated with no meaningful way to clear one’s name and get off the lists.”

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) introduced a bill in February to give the Department of Justice authority "to prevent a known or suspected terrorist from buying firearms or explosives."

“I’m really concerned that at a time like this that we’re not taking what I think is this basic or fundamental action,” King said. King also pointed out that the bill includes an appeal process for people who don’t believe they should be on the watchlist.

In the wake of recent terror attacks, Feinstein is pushing harder for legislation to ban individuals on the watchlist from legally purchasing guns or explosives.

Ref: http://abcnews.go.com/US/individuals-fbi...d=35264669

[F.U.]

Problem with bills is that so much extra shit gets attached to the original bill that it is hard to vote yes to it. I am not saying that is the case in this instance, because I really don't know. I wonder out loud weather this is the case or not.

[HairOfTheDog]

I understand that a lot of bills include riders, F.U.

But, the final draft of the Universal Background Check bill did not, even though some of you here in this thread kept insisting that was why you initially opposed it. I posted the final draft of that bill in this thread more than once and read it several times.

I didn't see any riders in the bill to deny firearm and explosive sales to known and suspected terrorists either. In any case, the gun lobby has been closed to considering the measure itself on the basis that just because someone is suspected of terrorist activity or sympathy doesn't mean they're guilty of it. Well, that's true. But, as I said, not everyone banned from gun ownership is a criminal; they're individuals who are deemed to pose a known risk to public safety.

Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2015

Here's what the bill proposes:

-Allow the attorney general to deny the purchase or transfer of a firearm or explosive to a known or suspected terrorist if the prospective recipient may use the firearm or explosive in connection with terrorism.

-Maintain protections in current law that allow a person who believes he has been mistakenly prevented from buying a firearm to learn of the reason for the denial, and then to challenge the denial, first administratively with the Department of Justice, and then through a lawsuit against the Justice Department.

-Allow the Justice Department, in any administrative or court proceeding challenging the accuracy of a denied firearm or explosive transfer under the bill, to protect information that, if disclosed, would compromise national security. (I can see this being a huge problem for some, but it's not a rider.)

Bill draft: http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/i...68f5be2b47

[F.U.]

Problem there is that a natural born citizen of the US that is under investigation of terrorism can be denied. This is not about those coming into the states from those country's you named above and buying guns. The problem is that someone that is anti gov , like myself , could very easily be lumped into that list and be denied. You want to stop those from other countries from coming here and buying guns, no problem, but make sure that is what the law is for. Leave us alone.

[HairOfTheDog]

I think you're missing the point, F.U.

The bill proposed would apply to anyone in the U.S. who is suspected of terrorism or terrorist affiliation. Those individuals on U.S. soil, no matter where they were born, would be restricted from walking into a gun store and buying deadly weapons legally.

The point is to help keep guns out of the hands of those who pose a risk to public safety. A terrorist born in the U.S. with a plot to shoot up the Mall of America is no less a risk to public safety than a visiting Estonian terrorist with a plot to shoot up the Mall of America.