TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE

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God was Jesus's daddy but Jesus died for all of us so his dad wouldn't have to be such a meanie. These days, God would just be required to attend anger management classes.

[HairOfTheDog]

Some Christians think Jesus is the son of God.

Some Christians don't think Jesus was the son of God.

Among themselves, Christians don't agree on a lot of things, like the followers of most all religions.

[Midwest Spy]

The ISIS vermin are referring to Western allies as the Crusaders. They're still stuck in the Stone Age, living word for word what Mohammed would have them do. Kill infidels.

This is about what they're (ISIS) doing, not what I or other Christians are doing.

Here I am defending Christianity again to someone who is somehow trying to equate it to the evil scum who would kill innocents every moment of their waking lives.

Are you serious?

The Christian church has evolved.

Fire and Brimstone is no longer the overriding message from the pulpit. In fact, I don't ever hear it anymore.

Even in the last 10-15 years, the loathing of homosexuals has taken almost a complete 180 degree turn.

Are there still zealots who'll pass judgements on others and point to scripture? Sure.

But, Jesus' message, if you really study it, is one of love, forgiveness and Grace.

Please don't try and lump it in with Islam.

[username]

Some Christians think Jesus is the son of God.

Some Christians don't think Jesus was the son of God.

Among themselves, Christians don't agree on a lot of things, like the followers of most all religions.

I think the ones that don't believe he was the son of God are Jews. I dunno though; not an expert on all Christian religions.

[Midwest Spy]

Some Christians don't think Jesus was the son of God.

Which Christians are these?

To be a Christian, you believe that Jesus was God's son, and died for every single person.

If you don't believe that, then you are not a Christian.

[Mohammed]

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! I rounded up. Tell me one thing are you Shia or Sunni? Are you Hamas?

Your analogy that Gaza is the new Auschwitz is what is full of shit. When the people voted in Hamas to control Gaza that created the problem. The Islamists have showered Israel with thousands of rockets; they are just defending themselves. They take every precaution before strikes; they warn the civilians to unass the area.

You don't like being shot at, then kick the Islamists out of Gaza; recognize Israel's right to exist and they will gladly live with you in peace.

I have not been hood winked by the Islamists, and I am educating my fellow country men so they will be ready for your ilk.

No, I'm Baader Meinhof!

Of course Israel is showered by rockets. If you put people into a modern style concentration camp, big concrete walls around them, nothing goes in, nothing comes out, bomb and shoot them once in a while, you can expect them to be a bit upset, no?

But I am happy to see you changing your time frame a bit.

Putin is cool and makes perfect sense! The Russian Embassy is the only one still left here and running by the way.

Now about this ISIS and Mohammed. This is actually a great article.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch...ts/384980/

[HairOfTheDog]

Some Christians don't think Jesus was the son of God.

Which Christians are these?

To be a Christian, you believe that Jesus was God's son, and died for every single person.

If you don't believe that, then you are not a Christian.

To be a Christian IN YOUR EYES, sure.

But there are Christians who take the New Testament seriously when Jesus is cited as referring to himself as the "the son of man".

Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head.

Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Luk 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.

Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

[HairOfTheDog]

The ISIS vermin are referring to Western allies as the Crusaders. They're still stuck in the Stone Age, living word for word what Mohammed would have them do. Kill infidels.

This is about what they're (ISIS) doing, not what I or other Christians are doing.

Here I am defending Christianity again to someone who is somehow trying to equate it to the evil scum who would kill innocents every moment of their waking lives.

Are you serious?

The Christian church has evolved.

Fire and Brimstone is no longer the overriding message from the pulpit. In fact, I don't ever hear it anymore.

Even in the last 10-15 years, the loathing of homosexuals has taken almost a complete 180 degree turn.

Are there still zealots who'll pass judgements on others and point to scripture? Sure.

But, Jesus' message, if you really study it, is one of love, forgiveness and Grace.

Please don't try and lump it in with Islam.

Don't justify your beliefs to me. I'm not lumping Christianity in with Islam. I'm simply stating what's common knowledge and common sense -- people who practice the same faith aren't all united in their interpretations of the same religious books and don't control everyone else of the same faith.

And, news flash MS: not all Christians have 'evolved'.

Some Christians would denounce you, no doubt, for what they consider your twisting and white-washing of the Old Testament.

[crash]

Stop confusing the poor narrow minded, indoctrinated Christians with your open minded and rational thinking, HotD! We'll end with a Mock crusade and the burning of the witch (ppssst...you, if you didn't pick up what I was putting down..) at the stake.

[Midwest Spy]

Crash, yes, you and HotD, have done a very nice job of turning attention away from the problems of 2015, and focusing on some 18^th century stuff.

Well played!

[HairOfTheDog]

You're wrong, MS.

Is there anybody at Mock who's posted more about Iraq, Syria, ISIS, and other 2015 global problems/issues than I? Who?

What YOU did was insist that all Muslims follow certain passages of the Koran literally and, thus, should be feared because they are going to try to slaughter us. So, because some groups of Muslims practice archaic rituals according to what they claim is fundamental to Islam, YOU lumped all Muslims into the pot and led us back to before the 18^th century. I'm responding to the cards you 'played'.

I don't think you're playing with a full deck here though. You don't even know what all Christians think. But, somehow you believe you know what Muslims collectively think, even if they tell you differently.

[Midwest Spy]

Some Christians don't think Jesus was the son of God.

Which Christians are these?

To be a Christian, you believe that Jesus was God's son, and died for every single person.

If you don't believe that, then you are not a Christian.

To be a Christian IN YOUR EYES, sure.

But there are Christians who take the New Testament seriously when Jesus is cited as referring to himself as the "the son of man".

Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head.

Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Luk 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.

Luk 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Jhn 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

I did a quick search of Son Of Man vs Son Of God.

Of course I've heard the Son Of Man term used often and never really thought much of it, other than Jesus acknowledging his human birth instead of telling everyone he was God's son walking amongst mere mortals.

I like this, from the chancellor of Bethlehem College & Seminary:

"Son of Man" has the double meaning of human being and, according to Daniel Chapter 7, an 'exalted heavenly one.' Jesus means to communicate both of those. Targeting the religious leaders of the day, IMO.

[HairOfTheDog]

^ Exactly, MS. You picked the interpretation that fits your personal beliefs or liking.

Some Christians interpret "son of man" literally, though most view Jesus as the son of God and/or God himself.

Some Christians focus more on their interpretations of God's will than that of Jesus, and vice versa.

Some Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin and use the Bible as justification, some don't.

Some Christians are fundamentalists, others are progressive.

People of the same faith aren't all the same. I don't hold you responsible for Christians who commit unspeakable acts and use God or Jesus to justify it. Just like I don't hold my friend Mehul responsible in any way for Daesh's acts just because the terrorists use Muhammad or Allah to justify their crimes against humanity.

That doesn't mean that I'm naive or denying that networks of radical Muslims could launch attacks in the U.S. I think that's a real threat. That's one of the reasons that I'm not among those who protest the NSA screening calls and electronic communications, though I'm probably in the minority of Americans. I'm willing to trade some personal privacy to reduce the public risk. But, I don't think everyone who strongly disagrees with me on that is a threat to the Western world or anything.

[crash]

I hope MS never goes to Ireland and gets asked about his Christian views. He might get a shock how his fellow Christians, under the same God, interpret their beliefs..

[Midwest Spy]

I hope MS never goes to Ireland and gets asked about his Christian views. He might get a shock how his fellow Christians, under the same God, interpret their beliefs..

I love the way you chuckle like you know it all.

Your smugness in this matter and your insistence that you in fact know what nobody else does (whether or not there's a God and an afterlife. There isn't according to you. Duh) is what's truly comical.

I choose to live my life believing that yes, there is a God. A God that so loved the world that he sent his only son so that whoever believes in him shall not die but have eternal life.

Those who choose to believe in no God, no afterlife?

That's their prerogative, but what a way to live.

[crash]

no afterlife?

And there it is. Religions' biggest Ace. Preying upon the human fear of morbidity.

but what a way to live.

Believing that there is only the here and now is a refreshing way to live. There's no constant need to have answers. Things just are. I still treat people how I would wish to be treated. I have love, compassion and forgiveness. I just don't have to be guilted into returning back to the path when I wander from it.

Never once in this thread have I chuckled like 'I know it all'..

My chuckle at the end of that last sentence was laughing at how you would handle being in Ireland having an argument with the Catholics and the Protestants about who had the best religion. All Christians, all have the same God, but yet will still kill each other because one thinks their God is better than the other.

Kind of a bit like that Muslim thing isn't it? Numerous different faiths all being bundled under the same banner..

The only smug one here is you. You've done five minutes googling about Muslims and the Quran, probably had a few beers with your buddies and talked football, big booked women and condemned every Muslim in the world as no good. Hell, you've probably even touched on it at church. Prayed for the victims, for your countrymen serving and all that jazz. But did you pray for the muslims caught in the middle? No? Yeah, their God isn't the right God, like your God. It's ok, maybe Buddha will save them. Or maybe the Seventh Day Adventist God, unless they had blood transfusions, and then they're fucked on that front too..

If there is a god, and he's down with creating diseases like Ebola and cancer and infecting kids who haven't even had time to pick a religion yet with it, or creating peadophiles to rape and torture them, if he's ok with half the planet starving while the other half waste so much, if he's all good with all the other shite because 'that's his fucking will, and he's just 'testing our faith', well then fuck that passive aggressive, narcissistic mother fucker, I don't want to be part of his club anyway.

And you, sir, until you stop hiding shit from your wife, your faith is just hypocrisy to me. You're a fair weather Christian.

[Love Child]

If there is a god, and he's down with creating diseases like Ebola and cancer and infecting kids who haven't even had time to pick a religion yet with it, or creating peadophiles to rape and torture them, if he's ok with half the planet starving while the other half waste so much, if he's all good with all the other shite because 'that's his fucking will, and he's just 'testing our faith', well then fuck that passive aggressive, narcissistic mother fucker, I don't want to be part of his club anyway.

And you, sir, until you stop hiding shit from your wife, your faith is just hypocrisy to me. You're a fair weather Christian.

I don't believe that God created cancer or Ebola or that it is his will for kids to suffer or anyone to suffer.

People created diseases. People chose to rape. People chose to kill. And people chose not to kill, and not to rape.

By your assertions someone on the stand could say, "Well this is the way God created me, so I raped that child" "God wants me to kill and torture people"
Well people say the last bit, but those people are crazy.

If I do something wrong I cannot blame God for it. It is easy to blame God if something happens to me, but everyone has choices. If someone chose to hurt me-that wasn't God, that was the person. If a fire breaks out in my house, that wasn't God, it just happened. Same as if my neighbors house burns down and mine doesn't-even that wasn't God. It just was.

[Love Child]

Woa, I got kind of preachy there.

[crash]

I don't believe that God created cancer or Ebola or that it is his will for kids to suffer or anyone to suffer.

People created diseases. People chose to rape. People chose to kill. And people chose not to kill, and not to rape.

So God just created everything and fucked off? With a promise that his son will come back one day when..?

I'm genuinely curious to how humans created Ebola and cancer..

If I do something wrong I cannot blame God for it. It is easy to blame God if something happens to me, but everyone has choices. If someone chose to hurt me-that wasn't God, that was the person. If a fire breaks out in my house, that wasn't God, it just happened. Same as if my neighbors house burns down and mine doesn't-even that wasn't God. It just was.

Thanks for joining the team..

[Love Child]

So God just created everything and fucked off? With a promise that his son will come back one day when..?

Yeah basically.

I'm genuinely curious to how humans created Ebola and cancer..

What creates cancer? Man made shit. Power lines, plastic, fake processed food, chemicals, pollution

Thanks for joining the team..