TERRORIST ATTACKS: PARIS, MALI, AND MORE

[Duchess]

So sick of these fuckers whether they be ISIS, the Taliban, al-Qaeda, etc. It seems like these attacks are becoming more & more frequent.

[Midwest Spy]

And to think, some clowns in here have compared Christian terrorists to Islamic terrorists.

[HairOfTheDog]

Would you quit being so cryptic (or "PC"?) MS.

Spit it out -- who are these clowns of whom you speak?

If you're gonna call people clowns, at least let them know so they can respond.

[Midwest Spy]

Would you quit being so cryptic (or "PC"?) MS.

Spit it out -- who are these clowns of whom you speak?

If you're gonna call people clowns, at least let them know so they can respond.

If a person were to read my statement and feel defensive in nature, then they'd probably be one of the clowns.

[Duchess]

Oh brother.

[HairOfTheDog]

Would you quit being so cryptic (or "PC"?) MS.

Spit it out -- who are these clowns of whom you speak?

If you're gonna call people clowns, at least let them know so they can respond.

If a person were to read my statement and feel defensive in nature, then they'd probably be one of the clowns.

Well, then I guess we'll have to see if someone comes in here ready to counter punch your cryptic ass.

The "you're gonna have to guess what I'm talking about" crap is stupid.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, all terrorists are pieces of shit -- there are no exceptions for Christians, Mormons, Muslims, Atheists or anyone else, Christ Whisperer.

[Duchess]

Who differentiates between terrorists?! Da fuck.

MS, just say who you think the clowns are. Jesus. You're a father, you should be above this kid shit. You're still mad from the other day, aintcha?

[HairOfTheDog]

What happened the other day?

[Duchess]

What happened the other day?

I'm referring to when he posted this - HotD is cool with them being flown in, because she knows they're not going to SF.

Too expensive and where the hell would they put 5,000 of them in the Bay Area.

That's why it's easy to feel the way she does.

You responded with some information and he never said another word in this thread until just now when he started talking about clowns & terrorists.

[HairOfTheDog]

Oh. I didn't think anything of that.

I just figured MS was misinformed about a few things and I responded with the correct information. Big whoop -- I can't see him being mad about that, but it sometimes happens here. So, who knows?

And, I was only playing around when I told him he could lick me. But, just in case that what's got him feeling all persecuted: I don't really want or expect you to lick me MS.

[Duchess]

Oh. I didn't think anything of that.

I don't think anyone did. I'm just trying to bait him out of his hole.

[Midwest Spy]

Ladies, I appreciate your efforts to get me to respond.

My comment about people equating Islamic terrorists with 'Christian' terrorists still stands.

Fact of the matter is, this day in age, there aren't Christians targeting other religious groups like Islamic terrorists are.

I've said for at least 5 years Islam is the scourge of the earth. Moderate Muslims refuse to take a stand. Witness the so-called 'moderates' in the Brussels neighborhood who knew what was going on and refused to turn the fugitives in.

Obama refuses to label it Islamic terror. He's a clown.

They just intentionally targeted Christian families at an Easter get together in Pakistan.
How is that in any way retribution for bombing Iraq or Syria? That's what the apologists say.

These vile acts will continue until somehow Muslims cure it from within. We can't bomb them into next week. There are just too many.

Enlightened, educated Muslims have to do it.

But will they?

[Duchess]

Obama refuses to label it Islamic terror. He's a clown.

What actual part of that don't you get? Why would you want the President of the United States to link an entire religion to radical jihadist? Have you thought about that at all?

[Midwest Spy]

Obama refuses to label it Islamic terror. He's a clown.

What actual part of that don't you get? Why would you want the President of the United States to link an entire religion to radical jihadist? Have you thought about that at all?

By NOT associating it with Islam, it allows all the so-called 'moderate' Muslims off the hook because 'there's no link', when in fact, there IS a link.

Say what you want, the ENTIRE world knows that these evil cowards are butchering people in the name of Allah.

As I said earlier, moderate Muslims need to own this as their problem and do what they can to fix it.

[FAHQTOO]

Ladies, I appreciate your efforts to get me to respond.

My comment about people equating Islamic terrorists with 'Christian' terrorists still stands.

Fact of the matter is, this day in age, there aren't Christians targeting other religious groups like Islamic terrorists are.

I've said for at least 5 years Islam is the scourge of the earth. Moderate Muslims refuse to take a stand. Witness the so-called 'moderates' in the Brussels neighborhood who knew what was going on and refused to turn the fugitives in.

Obama refuses to label it Islamic terror. He's a clown.

They just intentionally targeted Christian families at an Easter get together in Pakistan.
How is that in any way retribution for bombing Iraq or Syria? That's what the apologists say.

These vile acts will continue until somehow Muslims cure it from within. We can't bomb them into next week. There are just too many.

Enlightened, educated Muslims have to do it.

But will they?

I agree with all of that.

[HairOfTheDog]

Obama refuses to label it Islamic terror. He's a clown.

What actual part of that don't you get? Why would you want the President of the United States to link an entire religion to radical jihadist? Have you thought about that at all?

By NOT associating it with Islam, it allows all the so-called 'moderate' Muslims off the hook because 'there's no link', when in fact, there IS a link.

Say what you want, the ENTIRE world knows that these evil cowards are butchering people in the name of Allah.

As I said earlier, moderate Muslims need to own this as their problem and do what they can to fix it.

This is what I don't understand, MS.

Muslims in the Middle East have been fighting each other for a very long time for a variety of reasons.

Sometimes the U.S. and other countries intervene and some new Islamic extremist/terrorist groups develop out of it -- like how ISIS developed from Saddam's loyalists imprisoned during our occupation of Iraq. Terrorist groups often use western intervention successfully in their recruiting propaganda. That's just the way it is.

I suspect that there are a lot of factors involved in terrorist ideology and not all of the terrorists have the same motivations -- some may be religious, some financial, some psychological, etc... Tragically, ISIS has done a good job of attracting converts and devotees of very different backgrounds and demographics, from all over the world.

And, I have seen over and over and over......Muslims worldwide denounce ISIS and terrorism. I've seen Muslim countries in the Middle East fighting with us against ISIS in Syria and Iraq for years now. I know that normal Muslims have been killed by the hundreds of thousands, and millions have been forced to flee their homeland, because they refuse to join the radical Islamic extremists.

I don't understand what more you expect 'enlightened and educated' Muslims to do to about the problem, to which they are not contributors, other than condemn and fight and refuse to participate in it. It's not like peaceful Muslims would be smart to walk into war zones or terrorist training camps with a peace pipe and a plan to hold Koran study lessons.

It's kind of analogous to our decades-old problems of gang and gun violence in the U.S., in my view. The government, responsible gun owners, educated and enlightened blacks, LE, community and religious leaders...all have denounced gangs and gang violence for generations. Still, it persists today (and non-gang members living in gang territory often don't snitch either, due to a very real risk of being the next victim).

[HairOfTheDog]

Anyway, I'm not telling you that you're wrong to fear Muslims, or to fear Syrians, or to fear refugees, or whatever it is that keeps you up at night MS. I'm just telling you why I don't fear any of those things.

I do think, as a country, we should be very vigilant at home by maintaining extremely strong national security to combat both domestic and international terrorist threats, of which Islamic terrorism is the dominant international one today - no doubt. I'm not one who objects to the government surveilling some of my records as part of broad anti-terror surveillance.

In terms of refugees, Muslim and Christian Syrians are fleeing violence and terrorism from the same source. After being fully vetted and screened, I don't fear the Muslim ones coming here any more than I fear the Christian ones coming here. They have equally gone through living hell.

Those are my feelings based on what I see and what I know; I'm not suggesting that you should feel the same as I do.

[Midwest Spy]

Anyway, I'm not telling you that you're wrong to fear Muslims, or to fear Syrians, or to fear refugees, or whatever it is that keeps you up at night MS. I'm just telling you why I don't fear any of those things.

Classic HotD condescension.

Right on cue.

I'm talking about murderous thugs butchering people in the name of Allah, and that their brethren (fellow Muslims) aren't doing shit about it, regardless of what opinions you spout.

I'm not up at night fearing Syrians and terrorists in my incubated little suburb.

I do mourn for the innocent victims of this plague and chuckle when knowledgeable folks simply say, 'shit happens.'

[HairOfTheDog]

You've spoken before about things that worry you and make you fearful for your kids; I respect that. And, you've spoken recently about how talking about deporting Muslims from the U.S. invites negative response, along with how you fear terrorists being among Muslim Syrian refugees to the U.S., etc. I'm not sure how you got condescension from my confirming my understanding of your feelings.

Yeah, I've jabbed you about being a suburbanite in the past and I've been jabbed plenty about being an urbanite. I think those jabs are just funny and meaningless. But, I don't think your feelings or my feelings on this one are meaningless, nor all that unique. And, I don't think they have much to do with whether one lives in a suburb or downtown, but possibly more to do with our own religions, personalities, mindsets and shit like that.

So, there was no condescension whatsoever in my last post to you MS -- it was sincere.

[Duchess]

moderate Muslims need to own this as their problem and do what they can to fix it.

That's a crock of shit. They are no more responsible for those savages than I am for any batchit crazy Christian. You keep saying Muslims need to denounce those bastards. They have, many, many times and had you taken 5 minutes to educate yourself you would have found that to be true.

Here are a few examples. You want more? I can get 'em.

The Organization Of Islamic Cooperation: The Islamic State Has “Nothing To Do With Islam,” Has Committed Crimes “That Cannot Be Tolerated.” As the Vatican’s internal news source reported, the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which represents 1.4 billion Muslims in 57 countries around the world, condemned the Islamic State’s persecution of of Christians and other religious minorities in Iraq, saying the “forced deportation under the threat of execution” is a “crime that cannot be tolerated.”

According to the Vatican:
The Secretary General also distanced Islam from the actions of the militant group known as ISIS, saying they ‘have nothing to do with Islam and its principles that call for justice, kindness, fairness, freedom of faith and coexistence.’

Al-Azhar: Islamic State Is Corrupt And “A Danger To Islam.” Lebanese paper The Daily Star reported that Al-Azhar’s Grand Mufti Shawqi Allam, Egypt’s highest religious authority, denounced the Islamic State as a threat to Islam and said that the group both violates Sharia law and humanitarian law: “[They] give an opportunity for those who seek to harm us, to destroy us and interfere in our affairs with the [pretext of a] call to fight terrorism.”

Arab League: “Strongly Denounced” The “Crimes Against Humanity” Carried Out By The Islamic State. On August 11, Nabil al-Arabi, the Arab League Chief, denounced acts committed by the Islamic State in Iraq as “crimes against humanity,” demanding that they be brought to justice. According to Al Arabiya News, he said in a statement that he “strongly denounced the crimes, killings, dispossession carried out by the terrorist (ISIS) against civilians and minorities in Iraq that have affected Christians in Mosul and Yazidis.”

Turkey’s Top Cleric: Islamic State’s Threats Are “Hugely Damaging,” “Truly Awful.” Turkey’s highest ranking cleric, Mehmet Gormez, decried the Islamic State’s declaration of a “caliphate” and argued that the statements were damaging to the Muslim community, according to Reuters:“Such declarations have no legitimacy whatsoever,”

Mehmet Gormez, head of the Religious Affairs Directorate, the highest religious authority in Turkey, which, although a majority Muslim country, has been a secular state since the 1920s.

“Since the caliphate was abolished … there have been movements that think they can pull together the Muslim world by re-establishing a caliphate, but they have nothing to do with reality, whether from a political or legal perspective.”
Gormez said death threats against non-Muslims made by the group, formerly known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), were hugely damaging.
“The statement made against Christians is truly awful. Islamic scholars need to focus on this (because) an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures heralds the collapse of a civilization,” he told Reuters in an interview.

CAIR Repeatedly Condemned The Islamic State As “Un-Islamic And Morally Repugnant.” In a July 7 statement, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called the terrorist group “un-Islamic and morally repugnant,” noted that the Islamic State’s “human rights abuses on the ground are well-documented,” and called on other Muslim community leaders to speak out against the violence. CAIR reiterated the condemnation of the Islamic State as “both un-Islamic and morally repugnant” on August 11, and on August 21, CAIR once again condemned the group, calling the killing of American journalist James Foley “gruesome and barbaric”: We strongly condemn this gruesome and barbaric killing as a violation of Islamic beliefs and of universally-accepted international norms mandating the protection of prisoners and journalists during conflicts.

The Geneva Conventions, the Quran – Islam’s revealed text – and the traditions (hadith) of the Prophet Muhammad all require that prisoners not be harmed in any way. There can be no excuse or justification for such criminal and bloodthirsty actions.

We also call on those holding Steven Sotloff and other prisoners to immediately release them unharmed so they may return to their loved ones.

The Muslim Council Of Great Britain: “Violence Has No Place In Religion.” The Muslim Council of Great Britain condemned the Islamic State’s actions and expressed that they do not represent Sunni Muslims, according to The Independent. Shuja Shafi, a member of the council also said: “Violence has no place in religion, violence has no religion. It is prohibited for people to present themselves for destruction.”

The Islamic Society of North America: The Islamic State’s Actions “Are To Be Denounced And Are In No Way Representative Of What Islam Actually Teaches. The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) released a statement denouncing the Islamic State “for its attacks on Iraq’s religious minorities and the destruction of their places of worship.” ISNA President Imam Mohamed Magid said, “ISIS actions against religious minorities in Iraq violate the Quranic teaching, ‘Let there be no compulsion in religion’ (Surat al-Baqara 2:256),” adding, “Their actions are to be denounced and are in no way representative of what Islam actually teaches.”

100 Sunni And Shiite U.K. Imams: The Islamic State Is An “Illegitimate, Vicious Group.” As the Huffington Post reported, 100 Sunni and Shiite Imams from the U.K. came together to produce a video denouncing the Islamic State, releasing a statement that they wanted to “come together to emphasise the importance of unity in the UK and to decree ISIS as an illegitimate, vicious group who do not represent Islam in any way.”

Saudi Arabia’s Highest Religious Authority: Terrorists Like The Islamic State Is The “Number One Enemy Of Islam.” On August 19, Al Jazeera reported that Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti, Abdulaziz al-Sheikh, the country’s top religious authority, said that terrorism is anti-Islamic and said that groups like the Islamic State which practice violence are the “number one enemy of Islam”:

Extremist and militant ideas and terrorism which spread decay on Earth, destroying human civilisation, are not in any way part of Islam, but are enemy number one of Islam, and Muslims are their first victims.

Muslim Public Affairs Council: Condemned The Islamic State And Called For “Stand Against Extremism.” On August 20, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) released a statement condemning “the barbaric execution of American Journalist James Foley by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).” MPAC urged “all people of conscience to take a stand against extremism” and offered condolences to Foley’s family. MPAC also noted the importance of countering ISIS and other extremist groups by working “to empower the mainstream and relegate extremists to the irrelevance they deserve.”