MYSTERY IN THE SKY - WTF? - MH370 & MH17 & QZ8501 & More

[Maggot]

There were a couple air marshals on board.

[blueberryhill]

There were a couple air marshals on board.

According to Egyptian Airlines, it was standard procedure to have 3 Air Marshals on board, but who knows......this is same airline who tried to deny official findings of cause of crash wherein one of their pilots deliberately crashed the plane killing himself and everyone on board (exactly same circumstances my friend Freddie Gray was flying Continental Flight 11 in Mar 1962)....Passenger put bomb in bathroom and even after they lost tail, Freddie tried to land that plane but just couldn't recover from the damage caused by bomb.....

My only point was I think we should wait until investigation is completed. I think Egyptian Air will say anything to get the heat off of them.....but to yell about it being terrorists is just wrong before the facts are in...think of the family members.

Zero mentions the rudder problem which caused more than one crash....With proper maintenance, this shouldn't happen, but even a loose screw can be the reason for a catastrophic event (usually coupled with pilot or instrument failure, etc..)

[ZEROSPHERES]

Zero mentions the rudder problem which caused more than one crash....With proper maintenance, this shouldn't happen, but even a loose screw can be the reason for a catastrophic event (usually coupled with pilot or instrument failure, etc..)

BBH, I remember 1 month after 911 a mysterious event happened to an Airbus leaving NYC and everybody swore it was more terrorism. It proved to be a tail broken off during take-off that made the plane unable to be controlled. I know Ski has mentioned that the Airbus uses 100% composite materials in their tail construction. Composite materials are more brittle and crack and break where metals would stretch and flex. The Airbus rudder is very sensitive to the commands of the pilot and it can over stress the integrity of the tail and possibly lead to catastrophic failure. I was on a flight where the cockpit crew disengaged the auto pilot near the end of our flight in preparation for landing and nearly turned the craft upside down counterclockwise and overcompensated and nearly flipped it upside down clockwise.
It's possible that the crew was preparing for landing, disconnected the auto-pilot, the pilot then over charged the rudder causing the craft to make a sudden left turn and then over compensated when trying to correct this and forced the plane to make a sudden and critical right turn stressing the plane beyond its limits. If the tail and rudder broke off the crew would lose control and the plane would spiral continuously right and fall to the ocean. The radar data supports this hypothesis.

[blueberryhill]

Zero mentions the rudder problem which caused more than one crash....With proper maintenance, this shouldn't happen, but even a loose screw can be the reason for a catastrophic event (usually coupled with pilot or instrument failure, etc..)

BBH, I remember 1 month after 911 a mysterious event happened to an Airbus leaving NYC and everybody swore it was more terrorism. It proved to be a tail broken off during take-off that made the plane unable to be controlled. I know Ski has mentioned that the Airbus uses 100% composite materials in their tail construction. Composite materials are more brittle and crack and break where metals would stretch and flex. The Airbus rudder is very sensitive to the commands of the pilot and it can over stress the integrity of the tail and possibly lead to catastrophic failure. I was on a flight where the cockpit crew disengaged the auto pilot near the end of our flight in preparation for landing and nearly turned the craft upside down counterclockwise and overcompensated and nearly flipped it upside down clockwise.
It's possible that the crew was preparing for landing, disconnected the auto-pilot, the pilot over charged the rudder causing the craft to make a sudden left turn and then over compensated when trying to correct this and forced the plane to make a sudden and critical right turn stressing the plane beyond its limits. If the tail and rudder broke off the plane it may have continued to spiral continuously right and fall to the ocean. The radar data supports this.conclusion.

Yes, I recall that....What is ironic is that I just watched about 10 programs over the weekend (Smithsonian channel included in free previews) of Air Disasters. At least 2 or maybe 3 concerned the rudder of the Airbus......Was one of them Alaskan Airlines.....they are all confused in my head, but one sticks out in my mind about an electrical fire that started in one of the bathrooms....The toxic smell was reported to Chief Flight Attendant who used a fire extinguisher to try to control (later determined that this was wrong way to squelch this type of fire (so lack of training of flight crew was one cause listed) but there was a domino effect of all the mistakes made.....

They couldn't use the oxygen masks because law requires that they only be used in case of depressurization of aircraft.....the cockpit crew had gas masks and had them on......I honestly don't know if this was the one caused by rudder but everyone died in this crash....Some causes were clearly poor maintenance, downright shoddy repair of the trylon or whatever the support for the engine is called....they had added metal on top of a crack and used a sealant by drilling stop points....Of course it was strained and this engine had been written up by several crews before and had just been "repaired" the flight before the fatal one......I wish I could remember name of airline...Might have been shuttle company with good reputation out of Miami...Glock or something like that. Investigators found out they were having financial problems and were cutting corners on maintenance......they used seaplanes.....

[blueberryhill]

O.K. just looked it up. It was Chalk Airlines which had engine fly off and hit the tail which caused the crash....not the aircraft which had smoke started in bathroom....well, chalk does rhyme with glock.

[Maggot]

I'm cancelling any plans to visit the pyramids until all this is figured out. I'm just gonna have to look at pictures.

[Duchess]

It's hard to see the loved ones of those who have died. I look at their faces and it makes me sad for them all. Whatta horror :(

[Duchess]

I don't think this plane was bought down by terrorists.

[HairOfTheDog]

If this new report is true, technical malfunction seems more likely to me than terrorism as well. Plus, AFAIK, no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the crash.

Report:
The EgyptAir plane that mysteriously disappeared in the Mediterranean on May 19, with 66 people on board, did three emergency landings in the 24 hours before the crash, French broadcaster France 3 reports. The report has yet to be confirmed by government or airspace authorities.

The plane used for the EgyptAir flight MS804 connecting Paris to Cairo reportedly had to turn around three times and perform emergency landings on each occasion, while travelling between Eritrea, Egypt, Tunisia, and Paris.

Shortly after taking off, emergency signals indicating a problem onboard went off, prompting the plane to turn around, France 3 reports.

A technical verification on the ground took place each time following the landing but no problem was found as each time the plane could take off again and continue its route, according to the information obtained by France 3.

This data was reported by the Aircraft Communication Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS), an encrypted system that records coded messages sent between the planes and the ground during flights. This system reportedly detected several technical incidents during the plane's last six rotations. The cause of those incidents is not yet known.

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/06/02/re.../21388082/
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I just saw that European aviation officials believe they've located signals from one of the black boxes. I hope so.

[BigMark]

Sounds like some criminally incompetent mechanics. Instead of watching camel porn and drinking tea they should have been fixing the plane.

[Duchess]

AFAIK, no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the crash.

That's why I don't think it was terrorism. Have we ever seen them NOT take credit for their despicable acts?

[Blindgreed1]

AFAIK, no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the crash.

That's why I don't think it was terrorism. Have we ever seen them NOT take credit for their despicable acts?

Hell, they take credit for shit they didn't do all the time. That they aren't claiming this one is a head scratcher.

[HairOfTheDog]

AFAIK, no terrorist group has claimed responsibility for the crash.

That's why I don't think it was terrorism. Have we ever seen them NOT take credit for their despicable acts?

They might wait to make sure no operatives could easily be fingered and scooped up by authorities after to claim credit, but I personally don't think that's the case here. It's been too long. ISIS only waited a couple of days after the last air bombing.

There might be terror attacks that haven't been taken credit for, I'm not sure. But, that would kinda defeat the purpose of the act itself.

Taking credit for an attack that they didn't orchestrate is risky. If they have operatives in the area, they could get scooped up. And, if it's later proven that the claiming terror group wasn't behind the attack, they would look weak and could lose members to competing groups.

Those are just my opinions.

[Midwest Spy]

BG, my guesses were made before anyone knew anything.

I just used my incredible insight to conclude, first and foremost, that modern airliners simply don't crash and/or disappear.

As with the Germanwings flight last March, a pilot was the reason the Malaysian flight went down.

Bingo ^.

It's finally come out that the pilot of MH370 had not only split up from his wife 3 weeks before the planes disappearance, but, authorities have confirmed that he punched coordinates into his home flight simulator that are almost identical to the track of MH370.

Being proven right: priceless.

[Duchess]

Haven't we had that info from the beginning?

[Blindgreed1]

Haven't we had that info from the beginning?

Yes, but let him have his moment.

[Duchess]

Okay

[Midwest Spy]

Haven't we had that info from the beginning?

Yes, but let him have his moment.

No.

And if you don't believe me, ask HotD.

[Blindgreed1]

Haven't we had that info from the beginning?

Yes, but let him have his moment.

No.

And if you don't believe me, ask HotD.

This was from 2014: Co-Pilot’s Last Words
Malaysia Airlines believes the co-pilot aboard the missing plane spoke the last words to ground controllers.

Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said at a news conference that initial investigations indicate that co-pilot is the one who calmly said, “All right, good night.”

Officials previously have said that those words came at a point in the March 8 flight when one of the jetliner’s data communications systems already had been switched off.

The timing of the last words has sharpened suspicions that one or both of the pilots may have been involved in the plane’s disappearance.

The clues are in the route it took after it vanished from air traffic control. It turned back on itself and flew along the border of Malaysia and Thailand.
It flew in and out of the countries eight times. This is probably very accurate flying rather than just a coincidence. As both air traffic controllers in both those countries would probably assume that the aircraft was in the other country's jurisdiction and not pay it any attention.

Captain Simon Hardy's analysis stated: "It does a strange hook," he says. "I spent a long time thinking about this and eventually I found that it was a similar maneuver to what I'd done in Australia over Ayers Rock. Because the airway goes directly over Ayers Rock you don't actually see it very well because it disappears under the nose of the aircraft.
"So in order to look at it you have to turn left or right, get alongside it and then execute a long turn. If you look at the output from Malaysian 370, there were actually three turns not one. Someone was looking at Penang."

Also, the pilot had been flying that route for 17 years, and was from Penang.

[Midwest Spy]

^ sure, BG, I too have speculated from nearly Day One that the pilot sabotaged the airplane.

That's nothing new.

What is new?

The Malaysian government admitting that the pilot had programmed routes into his home flight simulator that have aircraft flying to the middle of the South Indian Ocean; aka, "the middle of nowhere."

They still say that proves nothing, but why would they wait 2.5 years to acknowledge that?

Because it DOES speak volumes.

Many experts speculate he actually performed a controlled landing into the water in order to minimize aircraft wreckage.