GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, OR DO THEY?

[F.U.]

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[HairOfTheDog]

^ Was that posted on some gun-enthusiast website or something, F.U.? It doesn't seem like your writing style.

Anyway, I haven't seen anyone call for banning BB guns.

So....the Senate is voting on the four bills related to expanding background checks and barring suspected terrorists from legal gun purchase. None of them are expected to get the necessary votes today. Senators, as usual, are expected to vote almost exclusively according to divided party lines.

At the same time, Trump seems to be giving the NRA the same types of challenges he's giving the GOP; they don't know what his position will be from one day to the next.

He's made statements recently that go against the NRA's opposition to barring gun purchase to those on the No Fly / Terror Watch Lists. He's told his supporters that he's going to get rid of gun-free zones, while continuing to have no-gun policies at his own public properties. And, he's advocated for people carrying in clubs and bars, which prompted leaders of the NRA to hit the news shows and clarify they do not support Trump's position.

[F.U.]

Yes it was and no it isn't mine and no noone is talking about banning bb guns. That is why I pulled it. Even though I found it funny I didn't think it was right to repost it.

[F.U.]

advocated for people carrying in clubs and bars,

Its not legal to carry in a club or bar everywhere in the USA? I know we can carry in a bar here in Iowa. We just cant be drunk. Just like driving a car, once we hit that legal level we are suppose to put our guns away.

[HairOfTheDog]

I think you and Gunnar should read up on the subject of U.S. carry laws, F.U. Your statements and questions indicate that you're both confused or uninformed.

For starters: Carry laws are determined by the states and localities, not the federal government. There is no legislation under consideration to change that. Concealed and open carry laws vary greatly across the country. It's not difficult to obtain carry permits in some states (like Florida). In other states and localities, civilians must prove they have a compelling cause or reason to carry and must meet stricter qualifications. Gun-free zones also vary greatly by state.

Here's a link to CC laws by state: http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_...ation.html

[F.U.]

I do read the laws of other states if and when I travel. I know Iowas because I live here. We have a permit to carry dangerous weapons. It says nothing about what that weapon can be , nor how it can be carried. So I can walk down the street with a sword on my back, glock on my side, AK-47 in my hands, wearing a bullet proof vest with magazine pouches holding hundreds of rounds of ammo attached to the vest, walk into a bar and drink. That is unless the owner asks us to leave. Then we can tell him to fuck himself 3 times before he can call the cops. Then when the cops show up they have to tell us to go. If we don't leave then we get a ticket for simple trespassing, nothing more. If we leave its no harm no foul. Our no weapons permitted signs DO NOT carry the weight of the law in Iowa.

I do know that when I am in Wisconsin I cannot enter a bar while I have my gun on me because there is a no tolerance law there. I was just surprised that there were more states that would not let you in a bar while you have a gun on you, but I do know it up to the state and all states are different. That's one reason I say I really wish they would scrap the current system and make one universal permit, kinda like a drivers license, that is good in all states with universal lays.

ETA . . . The , Its not legal to carry in a club or bar everywhere in the USA? , comment had a dash of sarcasm in it. I guess it didn't come through in my post.

[HairOfTheDog]

ETA . . . The , Its not legal to carry in a club or bar everywhere in the USA? , comment had a dash of sarcasm in it. I guess it didn't come through in my post.

My response would have been the same whether you were asking the question seriously or with some other motivation, F.U.

On a different note, today the Supreme Court formally declined to hear cases which aimed to overturn assault weapons bans in Connecticut and New York.

The court had already ruled in October that bans/restrictions on certain types of guns and ammo are not a violation of Second Amendment rights, nor are such bans in conflict with the previous Supreme Court ruling that the Second Amendment protects individuals' rights to own guns for self defense.

Ref: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/supr...50?section=

[Duchess]

Yesterday on Meet The Press Paul Ryan said let's not be in a rush to judgement regarding semi automatics. Rush to judgement. Seriously? Jesus. He then went on to say that owning a semi automatic weapon was a 2^nd amendment right. He had to be corrected.

[OnBendedKnee]

A semi-automatic weapon is one that is less capable of rapid fire. Although the firearm automatically reloads, a shooter must pull the trigger separately in order to fire another round.
They're easily confused with a machine gun.

I don't know if this alters anyone's opinion- just wanted to clarify.

[HairOfTheDog]

We've discussed the differences between semi-automatics and fully-automatic/machine guns in-depth throughout the thread, along with the fact that guns with semi-automatic firing capabilities are not limited to rifles, OBK.

We've also discussed how magazines allow the users of semi-automatic firearms to pull the trigger quickly and fire 10, 16, 30, 100 bullets -- depending on the magazine capacity -- without needing to stop and reload, which is presumably why mass murderers looking to take down as many people as possible often choose easily accessible semi-automatic rifles with high capacity magazines (and sometimes high-capacity semi-automatic handguns).

While mass and spree shooters might prefer fully-automatic machine guns, they're much more difficult to purchase legally and require registration with the Fed; they're not used in many crimes in the U.S. today.

[F.U.]

Standing on the edge of a revolution.

[Duchess]

Standing on the edge of a revolution.

Those survival tactics will come in handy.

[HairOfTheDog]

Another shooting death at a gun safety course went down on Saturday when the owner of a gun shop in Amelia, Ohio, was fatally shot by a student.

Ironically, students were performing weapon malfunction drills during a CCW class when a gun was discharged through a wall at Monroe Township’s KayJay Gun Shop, shooting James Baker, 64, in the neck. He died at the scene. RIP.

I don't know if the student who discharged the gun passed the class and was issued a CCW permit or not.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jame...0a?section=

[HairOfTheDog]

The two Democratic guns bills pertaining to (1) enacting universal background checks and (2) legal gun purchase by suspected terrorists..were defeated by Senate vote yesterday. The two Republican-sponsored gun bills were also defeated.

But, I think the tide is changing; the very large majority of American citizens who want legislative action on both those gun issues are more willing than ever to voice their dissatisfaction with Congress's inaction and the NRA's big money/special interest influence over GOP politicians.

I think that dissatisfaction will be reflected in next year's Congressional elections. New Hampshire's Republican Senator, Kelly Ayotte, and Illinois' Republican Senator, Mark Kirk, may have had that in mind when they broke long-standing mold yesterday. Ayotte voted in favor of Dianne Feinstein's bill to block suspected terrorists from legal gun purchase. And, Kirk voted in favor of both Democrat-sponsored bills.

[Maggot]

The vote was not to accomplish anything it was used as a propaganda tool. Nobody ever thought it would pass.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

Got to ask, how much thought, research and fact checking do you think went into that legislation that was pushed out there 48 hrs or so after the shooting? Was there anything in there about background checks on assholes coming into the country? Anything about getting guns out of the hands of felons, nuts and the like?
I have been busy and did not get a chance to DL the thing and read it

[HairOfTheDog]

I think the votes accomplished a lot in terms of showing the public how important their voices are to their elected representatives, though I agree there wasn't much faith that any of the bills would pass yesterday.

Yesterday's votes will have impacts on those who cast them and why they voted as they did. That's my prediction, though I understand that you don't agree, Mags.

We'll see in the coming months and next year.

[HairOfTheDog]

Got to ask, how much thought, research and fact checking do you think went into that legislation that was pushed out there 48 hrs or so after the shooting? Was there anything in there about background checks on assholes coming into the country? Anything about getting guns out of the hands of felons, nuts and the like?
I have been busy and did not get a chance to DL the thing and read it

All of the bills were already pending, Six. They weren't drafted after Olando and the fillibuster. The fillbuster following the Orlando massacre simply pushed an immediate vote on the already-drafted bills.

Yes, the universal background check bills addressed all would-be gun purchasers, regardless of how long they've been in the country.

Yes, the bills address funding for better enforcement of existing gun laws.

[Midwest Spy]

Huh... nothing changed?

Thinking it ever will... LOL.

[HairOfTheDog]

Huh... nothing changed?

Thinking it ever will... LOL.

Yeah, I know you tend to be emotional, reactionary, and pessimistic in your predictions, MS. So, an optimistic prediction based on objective review of information and attention to changing public opinion and trends probably seems laughable to you.

MS says: LeBron doesn't pull his weight when it matters. LeBron sucks in the clutch. LeBron will never be one of the greatest. MS - one week later: LeBron is one of the greatest players of all time. LeBron is not only a great player, he's a great man. People should stop hating on LeBron! Lol.

I think you're missing the bigger picture here too, when it comes to the current political environment and how gun control activists will take advantage of that to effectively score some wins against their opposition/competition.

We shall see.