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(10-31-2016, 05:43 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: I've mentioned many times that I am a simpleton.
That's "Mock-speak" for moron.
Hillary's campaign ads, here in AZ, keep emphasizing her lifetime of championing for children . . . but I swear, I can't recall one bill she initiated (while a Senator) specifically for children . . . or an amendment. She served almost two terms (9 years) and I'm drawing a blank.
Can someone help me out? She championed for one child. Her daughter Chelsea.
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Trump had a bunch of adds running during the football games this weekend kinda smart but expensive.
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.
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Thank god I am oblivious to the opinions of others while caught in the blinding splendor of my own cleverness.
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Inspector "Quack McDuck" is busy correlating those votes and bills with ties to the "Clinton foundation".
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(11-01-2016, 11:09 AM)Donovan Wrote: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members...ton/300022
Thanks, Dono.
I was surprised that for a woman who claims she works well with others, the vast majority of legislation she initiated, lacked co-sponsors . . . and damned near all, died on the vine.
Nothing major for children came to fruition.
Unlike Ted Cruz.
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Her senate career was essentially a stepping stone position for a white house bid. Quite a few "safe" bills with her name attached.
Thank god I am oblivious to the opinions of others while caught in the blinding splendor of my own cleverness.
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(11-01-2016, 10:53 PM)Donovan Wrote: Her senate career was essentially a stepping stone position for a white house bid. Quite a few "safe" bills with her name attached.
It did seem a bit like a resume builder to me, too.
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(11-01-2016, 11:36 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: (11-01-2016, 10:53 PM)Donovan Wrote: Her senate career was essentially a stepping stone position for a white house bid. Quite a few "safe" bills with her name attached.
It did seem a bit like a resume builder to me, too.
Her stepping stone started way back when she swallowed her pride and let the Monica scandal slide, due to her aspirations of eventually winding up where she is now!
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(11-02-2016, 03:31 AM)Carsman Wrote: Her stepping stone started way back when she swallowed her pride and let the Monica scandal slide
What do mean by "let the Monica scandal slide"?
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Too bad Monica didn't swallow . . .
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(11-02-2016, 04:34 AM)Duchess Wrote: (11-02-2016, 03:31 AM)Carsman Wrote: Her stepping stone started way back when she swallowed her pride and let the Monica scandal slide
What do mean by "let the Monica scandal slide"?
She accepted the horrendous humiliation of his debauchery!
She didn't kick him to the curb, as most if not all women (probably not you) would have done! He was her politics ticket into the future!
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(11-02-2016, 08:53 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: Too bad Monica didn't swallow . . .
lol
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(11-02-2016, 08:53 AM)BlueTiki Wrote: Too bad Monica didn't swallow . . .
Maybe, maybe she did, I wasn't there! 
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(11-02-2016, 08:56 AM)Carsman Wrote: (11-02-2016, 04:34 AM)Duchess Wrote: (11-02-2016, 03:31 AM)Carsman Wrote: Her stepping stone started way back when she swallowed her pride and let the Monica scandal slide
What do mean by "let the Monica scandal slide"?
She accepted the horrendous humiliation of his debauchery!
She didn't kick him to the curb, as most if not all women (probably not you) would have done! He was her politics ticket into the future!
Obviously not "all" women would have kicked him to the curb, Cars. Lots of men and women, especially those with children, stay with their cheating spouses for various reasons.
Hillary Clinton's handling of the situation helped save her husband's campaign, his political career, and her marriage. Her favorable ratings were sky high after that scandal, though I don't know if they would be in today's climate under the same circumstances.
Anyway, Hillary Clinton got elected Senator (twice) and appointed Secretary of State on her own merit. I don't think the fact that she stayed with her husband after he received inappropriate but consensual blow jobs had anything to do with it. If standing by your cheating man is all it took to pave a political career, Mrs. Trump, Mrs. Guiliani, Mrs. Gingrich and many many more wives of politicians might be in the running for the highest office in the land.
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(11-02-2016, 10:28 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: Anyway, Hillary Clinton got elected Senator (twice) and appointed Secretary of State on her own merit.
If standing by your cheating man is all it took to pave a political career, Mrs. Trump, Mrs. Guiliani, Mrs. Gingrich and many many more wives of politicians could be in the running for the highest office in the land.
You forgot Mrs. Edwards. The dead can vote . . . why not run for office, too?
Jury is still out regarding Huma. Time will tell.
None of these women had husbands who were adored like Bill.
She reaped the benefits of his clout and popularity.
Besides . . . these women split from the philanderers.
Despite her stated position, she pulled the ultimate Tammy Wynette.
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And?
Hillary Clinton helped create and sustain Bill Clinton's clout and popularity with some (and the Clintons' unpopularity with others).
But, Bill Clinton is not responsible for Hillary's Clinton longevity and success as a politician any more than she is his, in my opinion.
If the people of New York did not want her for a second term in Senate long after the Lewinsky scandal, they would not have elected her.
If Barack Obama had not wanted her for Secretary of State long after the Lewinsky scandal, he would not have appointed her.
And, if the majority of U.S. citizens don't trust her to be President of the United States because she stood by her cheating man, or because she misled them about using a private email server, or because they think she's a nasty women, or because they blame for the deaths of diplomats and operatives in Libya, or because they're convinced that she's a crooked criminal, they won't vote for her.............even though her husband's favorable ratings are much higher than her's.
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Everyone (yes . . . a MS broad brush generality) wants a piece of Bill.
Obama wanted him on his campaign trail. Ok . . . his supporters in the voting booth.
Sustaining Bill benefited her.
In fact, didn't she allude to the fact he would be directly involved in turning the economy around . . . to a roaring round of cheers?
Her husband disrespected her, she stood by him and he received redemption.
Her reward was Bill.
You'd have thought her popularity ratings would have soared past Bill's with that gesture alone!
America loves Bill . . . Hillary is just part of the package.
To ignore the Bill Factor for her many opportunities and success is living in denial.
Just my opinion.
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Yes, as I said, the Clintons have an influence and impact on each other, obviously. All spouses and partners do. I haven't seen anybody deny the "Bill factor".
However, I think it's shortsighted and backwards to imply that credit for Hillary's longevity and success in politics belongs to Bill.
They are their own people and she wouldn't have gotten far in politics after he retired if she was nothing more than the loyal wife of a popular politician. She won her senate seat by knowing the issues, doing well in the debates, and working across the aisle. And, she got re-elected by a landslide. That's her accomplishment, not Bill's, whether one likes her or not.
Likewise, Hillary Clinton may have helped save her husband's campaign, but he is responsible and gets credit from me for his accomplishments and failures as President (though the people he chose to advise him, including his wife, surely contributed to his performance).
I don't believe that Barack Obama appointed Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State because he wanted a piece of Bill Clinton, not by a long shot. But, I don't read Obama's mind and it's not a point worth arguing for me anyway.
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(11-02-2016, 11:38 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: However, I think it's shortsighted and backwards to imply that credit for Hillary's longevity and success in politics belongs to Bill.
They are their own people and she wouldn't have gotten far in politics after he retired if she was nothing more than the loyal wife of a popular politician. She won her senate seat by knowing the issues, doing well in the debates, and working across the aisle. And, she got re-elected by a landslide.
I don't believe that Barack Obama appointed Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State just because he wanted a piece of Bill Clinton, not by a long shot. But, I don't read Obama's mind and it's not a point worth arguing for me anyway.
I don't believe Hillary got where she is exclusively from Bill's aura.
Without her willingness to enter the fray, she wouldn't have been elected.
I have no idea why the folks in New York voted for her. Maybe because Bill opened his office in Harlem in 2001? Like you said, I can't read minds.
I merely suggested that Hillary would not be as successful, as would another woman with a similar pedigree, without Bill.
But I do know that Bill never really retired from politics.
In fact, I believe he did some of his best and most effective work after he left office.
He's never been the "ride off into the sunset" kinda guy . . . and the world benefited from this.
And I think he's done more for children than his wife. Any many believe he was the first "Black" president.
The currency in politics is power and influence . . . and that is one bank account Bill has no fear of ever having a negative balance.
From a political standpoint (and my personal opinion, too), I thought appointing Hillary as SOS was genius.
Again, this is just my opinion and an alternative take on Hillary's success.
I don't buy the self-made woman mantra.
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(11-02-2016, 12:34 PM)BlueTiki Wrote: Again, this is just my opinion and an alternative take on Hillary's success.
I don't buy the self-made woman mantra.
I understand.
I don't put a lot of stock in most of your speculation on this topic, but alternate takes do keep things interesting. 
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