The Pipelines and passes....

[Blindgreed1]

I haven't been following it very closely either, but I do know what FB posters aren't telling anyone is that this all started because the native American council turned down a 10 million dollar offer and demanded 20 million, so it seems their water and burial grounds carry a price. Go figure...

Where are you getting this information and what's the context, Gunnar? I'm curious to look into it.

It was just a blip on the radar when I read it HoTD and honestly I can't remember where it was that I read it (maybe MS remembers?), if I remember correctly the article also said that a number of archeologists denied there being any human remains at standing rock.

[HairOfTheDog]

So you 'know it', but you don't know how you know it, Gunnar?

Because.......while I haven't followed the demonstrations and protests daily, I'm pretty up-to-speed on the project, the boundary treaty, the parties and their disputes, and the meetings and court filings between the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, the U.S. Army Engineering Corp, and ETP.

I've not seen, nor does it make any sense to me, that the protest started over the Native American Council turning down a $10 million payoff because they wanted $20 million. That's effin' chump change for ETP, especially in terms of the 4-state Dakota Pipeline Project (on which they've already completed major construction and spent over $1 billion in equipment alone). So, I imagine if what you claim you somehow know was actually true, that check would have been written long ago.

MS, can you fill me in on how Gunnar knows what he knows; the source of your "Bingo!" moment? I'm truly interested.

[BigMark]

Why don't you histrionic bitches go bake us some cookies while us menfolk handle the pipeline details.

[HairOfTheDog]

There's no histrionics on my part, Biggie. Just high curiosity and a low tolerance for bullshit as fact.

So, maybe you can answer the question?

If not, why don't you kiss my ass and make me a sandwich, you bullshittin' ballsack.

[BigMark]

Go to bed so we can lay some pipe.

[HairOfTheDog]

Go to bed so we can lay some pipe.

Finally, some truth.

I do believe you've been laying your lips on the crack pipe.

[Blindgreed1]

So you 'know it', but you don't know how you know it, Gunnar?

Because.......while I haven't followed the demonstrations and protests daily, I'm pretty up-to-speed on the project, the boundary treaty, the parties and their disputes, and the meetings and court filings between the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, the U.S. Army Engineering Corp, and ETP.

I've not seen, nor does it make any sense to me, that the protest started over the Native American Council turning down a $10 million payoff because they wanted $20 million. That's effin' chump change for ETP, especially in terms of the 4-state Dakota Pipeline Project (on which they've already completed major construction and spent over $1 billion in equipment alone). So, I imagine if what you claim you somehow know was actually true, that check would have been written long ago. Also, a number of archeologists (as well as the state archeologist) who still maintain there aren't any human remains in the area.

MS, can you fill me in on how Gunnar knows what he knows; the source of your "Bingo!" moment? I'm truly interested.

Yeah, I read it somewhere, can't remember where. This was back in August I believe. I tried to search the article, but didn't have any luck. There's been a lot of shady shit going on with this thing from the beginning, so just like anything else these days, each side has their own version of the truth but the truth lies somewhere in-between the two.

[HairOfTheDog]

Okay, Gunnar.

[Blindgreed1]

Okay, Gunnar.

There's plenty of info regarding the lack of human remains at standing rock though, so if it's bullshit you wish to sniff, start there?

[HairOfTheDog]

I asked you to back up something you claimed to "know" because I've never heard about it and it smells like bullshit, no sniffing required. You can't back up your supposed knowledge. So, it still smells like bullshit, no sniffing required.

You attempting to give me deflective homework assignments doesn't make it reek any less, Gunnar, you knucklehead. If you're interested in the lack of human remains at Standing Rock, do your own homework and post it up.

I'm gonna hit the peace pipe and go to bed. You and Biggie can get back to the crack pipe.

[BigMark]

Fuck off all my shit was real.

[BigMark]

Holy fuck you edited.

[Blindgreed1]

I asked you to back up something you claimed to "know" because I've never heard about it and it smells like bullshit, no sniffing required. You can't back up your supposed knowledge. So, it still smells like bullshit, no sniffing required.

You attempting to give me deflective homework assignments doesn't make it reek any less, Gunnar, you knucklehead. If you're interested in the lack of human remains at Standing Rock, do your own homework and post it up.

I'm gonna hit the peace pipe and go to bed. You and Biggie can get back to the crack pipe.

I'm good. Happy hunting.

[HairOfTheDog]

The Water Protector activists and protesters celebrated their temporary victory last night.

They have good reason to be concerned about potential oil pipeline leaks contaminating the water and leading to health crises if the piping is allowed to run under Lake Oahe. It would be far from the first time.

Energy Transfer Partners (ETP, in which Donald Trump holds some stock) re-iterated yesterday that they will not re-route the almost completed pipeline to avoid crossing Lake Oahe. They expect President Trump to reverse the Army Corp decision and green light continued construction when he takes office in January.

And, of course, some Republicans with fossil fuel corporate backers and interests are already calling the denial of an easement to proceed across the Oahe an unlawful act of the Obama administration by a president who's siding with extremists.

I won't be surprised if the majority of the Standing Rock protesters continue to camp out in the freezing temperatures into next year.

It's gonna be interesting. President-Elect Trump already has a council in place to explore privatizing Native American lands for energy development and mineral excavation projects. Not all of the tribes across the country, or even people within the same tribes, agree on the pros and cons associated with promised greater economic development at the cost of some autonomy, protections, and cultural reserves.

Anyway, I hope the pipeline is re-routed. If not, I hope at least the Sioux and other tribes come out of it with stronger guarantees on water supply protection and assurances as to tribal economic benefit if the Dakota Access Pipeline route ultimately goes forward according to the current plan.

[Midwest Spy]

My Dad & Brother mentioned it to me a couple of weeks back.

They had some details but I didn't make very good mental notes.

Suffice it to say, they said pretty much the same thing BG said.

It involves cash and dad & bro also mentioned where they're laying pipe there isn't a burial ground.

[HairOfTheDog]

Okay, MS.

[Blindgreed1]

My Dad & Brother mentioned it to me a couple of weeks back.

They had some details but I didn't make very good mental notes.

Suffice it to say, they said pretty much the same thing BG said.

It involves cash and dad & bro also mentioned where they're laying pipe there isn't a burial ground.

Clearly just a coincidence MS.

[BlueTiki]

I haven't been following it very closely either, but I do know what FB posters aren't telling anyone is that this all started because the native American council turned down a 10 million dollar offer and demanded 20 million, so it seems their water and burial grounds carry a price. Go figure...

Where are you getting this information and what's the context, Gunnar? I'm curious to look into it.

US v. Sioux Nation of Indians (I think in the early eighties).

Turned downed about $150 million for land.

Long standing treaty dispute . . . they rejected the offer.

Again . . . memory a little fuzzy.

Who needs another Mai Tai?

This Indian!

[HairOfTheDog]

US v. Sioux Nation of Indians (I think in the early eighties).

Turned downed about $150 million for land.

Long standing treaty dispute . . . they rejected the offer.

Again . . . memory a little fuzzy.

Who needs another Mai Tai?

This Indian!

Interesting enough. However, that's completely irrelevant to Gunnar's proclaimed and unsourced knowledge that the whole Standing Rock protest starting over the Native Council asking for $20 million when they were offered $10 million.

[BlueTiki]

Yeah . . . but it goes to the issue of who owns the land.

This has been a point of contention between the parties.

And the fact $20 Million is chump change.

If they allegedly held out for the $20M.