THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY

[BigMark]

[Blindgreed1]

[HairOfTheDog]

Why the right is suddenly outraged about the word "ban", I don't know.

It's a ban, so what? The word describes the situation accurately and succinctly.

More word police bullshit.

[Duchess]

Senate Republicans vote to suspend committee rules. How's that for a headline.

[FAHQTOO]

I'm suuurrreee you knew it would. I love it when you try to save yourself. Haha
Anyhoooo...I can't say it bothers me that you crybabies will be miserable for the next 1450 days...at least. More than likely, it will be 2910 days. Just remember, stress causes 75% of medical issues.

Save myself? From you? Aww, stop it, dimbulb, it went over your head. Thanks for posting though, it beats lurking and eavesdropping, huh.

Ohhh...somebody woke up saying what the fuck again. Calm down calm down, it will be over in 1449 days...or double that.
I know crying is supposed to be good for you, but don't let yourself get dehydrated.

[FAHQTOO]

Who has been banned from the country?

Banned was the exact term used during the creation of the Executive Order, even your boy trump used it. Do your own homework rather than expecting others to do it for you. Although you are one of the back row kids so it comes as no surprise you'd rely on others.

No one has been banned, dumbass.

[HairOfTheDog]

What do you mean, FAHQTOO?

Many people with already-approved visas and refugee approval have been prohibited (or banned) from entering the country. Some of them were en-route when the Executive Order was signed and were sent back home once they landed.

[HairOfTheDog]

Trump said today that his Executive Order to restrict travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S. is about keeping “bad people” out. He said he knows some people are debating about the word "ban', but people can refer to it however they like. http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-imm...ter-2017-2

Trump himself referred to it as a “ban” in a tweet Tuesday defending the decision not to provide advance notice to travelers.



Trump was correct in referring to the Executive Order as a travel ban or a ban on entry into the U.S. for millions of people from 7 different countries. That, by definition, is exactly what it is.

Why members of his staff and some of his supporters are trying to redefine a word really is perplexing. If you're familiar with the terms of the Executive Order and you know what the word 'ban' means, there's nothing to debate.

[aussiefriend]

I worked in an abortion in an clinic in Sydney in 1998. It is just like any other clinic. It had an operating theatre. Prep rooms etc. I was a medical secretary at the time. Some women you could tell didn't want to do it. The longer the pregnancy the more expensive and some went to nearly full term. That's the reality. I got sick and called in sick and the head doctor sacked me.

As for now I wouldn't participate at all in any part administrative or clinical in an abortion.

It is still a woman's choice they dont want men dictating to them what to do with a very personal life choice. They know their lives will change significantly and not always for the better.

Single mothers have the lowest social standing on society scale (Germov). Support and stop persecuting single mothers and the abortion rate will drop significantly.

I was married then divorced and live life as a single mother. I cop shit from people all the time especially Christians. I wouldn't change my life though i worked hard and got a bachelors and a masters and my child is in a private christian school with high standards. If someone takes a shot at me or my child i go absolutely apeshit. Not so easy for some of my other friends doing liw skilled work.

[Maggot]

When you get stuff off your chest like that does it reduce your breast size?

[HairOfTheDog]

You've made that claim before about single mothers being on the lowest rung of the social ladder and being persecuted, aussie.

That is not my observation at all in this country. Maybe Australia is less advanced socially than the U.S. in that regard and that's why you and Germov have a different perspective?

25% of all families in the U.S. are headed by a single mother. 40% of all births are out of wedlock. 67% of births by millenials are by women who choose to be single mothers and are college or higher school educated with a good income. Those are the latest stats from Pew, the U.S. Census, and John Hopkins.

The lessened stigma against single mothers in the U.S. may factor into the consistently declining abortion rates in recent years.

But, I think the recent decline is due more to two other factors: 1) better and more accessible birth control for women of all income brackets today as compared to the previous generation and 2) there are more by-choice single mothers (via divorce and planned unwed pregnancies) because there is no longer a prevalent single mother stigma or persecution in this country.

There does, however, remain a stigma in this country against lower income families (mothers, fathers, or both) who need government assistance as opposed to a stigma against all single mothers - in my opinion.

[aussiefriend]

Germov is not Australian and is a leading expert in this area. We are down on the social ladder with the gays. Look him up only take a second. I learned this at University in my Sociology subject. Ann Coulter is right more delinquency and substance abuse and mental health problems. The figures are staggering.

However Coulter leaves it at that labelling them no hopers instead of providing opportunities to reverse the stigma. This is not my theory i didnt make it up. There is much research on this subject and it's not pleasant.

I don't think people should judge others. Smoking is a sin and i smoke. Having sex outside of marriage too. Lying etc. I think women see the anti abortion bill as a form of controlling women's bodies and they're not having a bar of it. Germov isn't an Aussie but we used his text book in the suject. We still had to find other literature to back it up.

[aussiefriend]

I cop a little bit of flack but not much because of my education my business and my big fat loud mouth that will sit someone on their arse. If anyone says anything to my child i go apeshit.

Kids compare at school and she knows she has a better life than some of the kids with two parents. She also has freedom.

Money has been a bit tight this year bcoz of legal issues but hopfully that will end soon.

We are on the same page Doggie we just have different ways of expressing it.

[HairOfTheDog]

Germov is not Australian and is a leading expert in this area. We are down on the social ladder with the gays. Look him up only take a second. I learned this at University in my Sociology subject.

I'm familiar with Germov's bio, aussie. He is based in Australia and conducted the bulk of his renown social research there for many years in scholarly positions.

I've never come across anything from him indicating that single mothers are presently stigmatized or persecuted in the U.S., though I'd be surprised if he has not concluded that poor people (including poor single mothers) are stigmatized and suffer malnutrition, discrimination, etc...... in many countries.

Anyway, I figured maybe you were referring to an Australia-specific conclusion that he's drawn to support your position. No big deal.

[Midwest Spy]

I'll concur with Aussie that single-mother households are somewhat stigmatized in this country.

We have a single mother on our street.

Every other household on our street is a two-parent family.

She always seems bitter and angry.

Her kids are loud and bratty (not just saying this to make anyone feel bad) and quite frankly, everyone assumes they'll end up being delinquents.

Her oldest son is a few years younger than my oldest and the three of us would throw the ball around a lot years back. He's 20ish now and we see him from time to time.

My wife's good friend from her childhood days is a single mom in Albany, NY.

When we see her we see her hands are full with her son, but she still seems happy.

Being a single-parent is not an easy life.

[HairOfTheDog]

Do you and everyone in your neighborhood look down on the single mother and consider her unworthy or disgraceful, MS?

If not, what makes you think she and other single mothers are stigmatized by other people?

Being married isn't easy either, but I don't think married people are stigmatized in the U.S., do you?

[Midwest Spy]

I think the feeling in our neighborhood is that she, individually, is a crappy parent.

Married people stigmatized?

[HairOfTheDog]

I think the feeling in our neighborhood is that she, individually, is a crappy parent.

Married people stigmatized?

If she was one of the single mothers (or married mothers) who runs a tight ship and has well-behaved children, you wouldn't be judging her negatively, right? If so, you're judging her negatively because you think she's a crappy parent; you're not stigmatizing her for being a single mother.

Just like if you were a crappy husband and people judged you for that, it wouldn't amount to stigmatizing you for being married.

[blueberryhill]

There is no doubt that in earlier generations, single moms were seen as inferior and as some people still believe, a child needs both a mother and father.

However, I think the US has come further than maybe in Australia (which reduces number of abortions also if u remove stigma attached) so in the US, at least, I feel that single moms are judged by the quality of their parenting, more than the negatives of an absent father....in some more traditional families, i.e, mother and father, there can be domestic abuse and ineffective parenting as well...so it is not so much, the "makeup" of the family, but quality of the parenting by that parent, regardless of gender.

I don't think the role models in good parenting need to be a man and a woman....we see several atypical relationships today and it very much depends on the individuals involved rather than the gender, sexual orientation, etc.

It sounds to me that you just have a lousy parent in your neighborhood, Spy, not because she is a single mom, but because of her poor choices re her children.....

[sally]

Some kids can be rotten little brats without a strong father figure around, however. I've seen it, kids walking all over their mothers with no father around. I'm not saying it's impossible for a single mother to raise well adjusted kids or vice versa, but it does help to have both parents playing a role.