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**ramseycat** · 04-19-2009, 11:58 AM

D, you are too fucking stupid to argue with.

04-19-2009, 12:00 PM

ramseycat Wrote:D, you are too fucking stupid to argue with.

HAHAHAHA!! A case of the pot calling the kettle black.

**ramseycat** · 04-19-2009, 12:06 PM

That mother let the BF abuse her child BEFORE he killed him. He had healed fractures. PLUS, he was suffering from malnutrition WHILE the bitch was collecting Welfare and food stamps. Yes, I was wrong about who threw the water. But that mother did NOTHING to protect her children and is just as guilty of abuse as the BF. How you can defend her is unfathomable.

**ramseycat** · 04-19-2009, 12:06 PM

That mother let the BF abuse her child BEFORE he killed him. He had healed fractures. PLUS, he was suffering from malnutrition WHILE the bitch was collecting Welfare and food stamps. Yes, I was wrong about who threw the water. But that mother did NOTHING to protect her children and is just as guilty of abuse as the BF. How you can defend her is unfathomable.

04-19-2009, 12:07 PM

D Wrote:
ramseycat Wrote:Fuck you Dumbass. It's a mother's job to protect her babies. I don't care how scared she was of her BF. She should have protected her children. I was afraid of my ex for along time. But if he EVER touched one of my kids, I would have been all over him. There should never be any fear greater than the love of your child.
And if she tried and he beat her down? What then? She's still "just as guilty" if shes laying on the floor unconscious? My whole point is that you don't know the circumstances. You're making a judgment based on incomplete information. Its fucking idiot mongers like you that have turned this country into the toilet it is now.

I dunno D... I have to disagree with you on this. It's obvious that the little ones were undergoing long term abuse. Any mother who doesn't get her kids out of an abusive situation immediately, is just as guilty as the fucker who is doing the abuse. She could have snuck the kids out, or called the cops, or anything. Instead, she sat there for a year after the one child was dead, collecting benefits. There really is no excuse for it.

**sally** · 04-19-2009, 12:08 PM

D Wrote:
ramseycat Wrote:
D Wrote:
ramseycat Wrote:The mother gets 10-15 years? That's it for killing her child and burning another one? Both of them should have gotten life without parole since there is no death penalty.
You stupid soup chicken. The mother didn't kill the kid, her boyfriend did. She got the involuntary manslaughter because she was part of it, but didn't actually do it. Still, very fucked up.

And Ant according to the political compass, I'm half way into the left... and *I* think we should have the death penalty. And besides, we had Republican morons for like 28 years, so don't talk smack
She is the mother and she didn't stop the fucking BF from killing her child. She is just as fucking guilty.
Does your brain work? Did it ever occur to you that she was afraid of the guy? Not a normal afraid, but terrified to the point of never standing up to him? If he is abusing his kids like this, I'm sure he abused the hell out of her too. You ignorant twit. Besides, it doesn't say anywhere that she DIDN'T try and stop him. But obviously if she did she failed. However she definitely DID help cover it up. So yeah. She is guilty of a lot, but it'd take some evidence that she actually helped kill the kid before I'd say she is "just as guilty" as he is.

Sorry I don't agree. I would never stand by and let anyone harm my child, if I did then I would be just as guilty. They would have to kill me first.

04-19-2009, 12:11 PM

Stupid fucking time out bullshit made you all miss my response to ramsey's latest.

I'm NOT defending her. Not in the least. I'm refuting your ignorant, half informed, brain dead assertions. We do not know the circumstances. And I fucking HATE when people judge when they don't really know what happened. Period.

04-19-2009, 12:14 PM

Oh yeah, and to make sure everyone understands (since we have some less developed minds around here), I do think this woman is a worthless twat of a mother. But "just as guilty"? No. By far not innocent though.

04-19-2009, 12:20 PM

D Wrote:I'm NOT defending her. Not in the least. I'm refuting your ignorant, half informed, brain dead assertions. We do not know the circumstances. And I fucking HATE when people judge when they don't really know what happened. Period.

Unless the woman was a fucking quadriplegic, she had NO excuse for not getting those kids OUT of that situation. Period. Before one of her kids ended up DEAD.

I don't care if he beat her senseless, she could have gotten out. If she wasn't 'strong enough' to at least get her kids out of the situation, screw her. I hope she rots.

04-19-2009, 12:24 PM

I hope she rots too, but judging without full information is wrong. And I'm going to stand by that. Always. You should know better. Especially knowing what you do about MY past.

**FAHQTOO** · 04-19-2009, 01:37 PM

She is JUST AS GUILTY!!!

Get over it D.

**sally** · 04-19-2009, 01:56 PM

[user=161]D[/user] wrote:

Quote:We do not know the circumstances. And I fucking HATE when people judge when they don't really know what happened. Period.

I do not need to know the whole story, D. The woman stood by and let someone brutally murder her child and then tried to get rid of the evidence on a BBQ grill. She deserves the death penalty, end of story!

**FAHQTOO** · 04-19-2009, 01:58 PM

D is arguing with a bunch of mothers.::nuts::

::lmao::

**sally** · 04-19-2009, 02:05 PM

FAHQTOO Wrote:D is arguing with a bunch of mothers.::nuts::

::lmao::

Yeah I don't think he's going to win this one. He's lucky this is not real life, we might all gang up and beat the shit out of him ::laugh::

04-19-2009, 02:07 PM

I think it's kind of weird that ONLY the women are arguing the point.

04-19-2009, 02:19 PM

Sorry, I'm with the ladies too.
Case in NYC some years ago to prove my point.

the Joel Steinberg / Hedda Nussbaum case.
They killed their adopted daughter.
Hedda Nussbaum was abused to no end by Steinberg but if not for her testifying for the prosecution (turned state's evidence) she would be in jail today. They had enough evidence to support she did nothing to stop his constant abuse of the child and her.

It's a public case, look it up. Steinberg is still in jail.

**ramseycat** · 04-19-2009, 05:07 PM

I am happy to see that all the mother's in the forum agree with me. The bitch is as guilty as the BF and should spend the rest of her miserable life in jail.

**ramseycat** · 04-19-2009, 05:24 PM

And D, go to the news and look at the pics of these two losers. After seeing that, I am even more convinced that the mother is just as guilty as the BF.

04-19-2009, 05:31 PM

Ramsey, no matter how guilty or not someone may be, you cannot judge by a picture!

The case I cited every single photo of Hedda Nussbaum was of her severly beaten by Joel Steinburg and she had the sympathy of the public due to those pictures. The reality was that they did have evidence to the contrary and the only reason she walked is because she had a deal.

04-19-2009, 05:35 PM

http://wcbstv.com/seenat11/hedda.nussbau...55643.html

you know, I didn't have to read the whole article here to see what a piece of shit this woman is.

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8...p;.intl=us

there's another story from this tragedy.

edit to add second link.

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