04-14-2012, 11:05 AM
(04-14-2012, 10:31 AM)HairOfTheDog Wrote:(04-14-2012, 07:07 AM)Cracker Wrote:(04-13-2012, 10:07 PM)username Wrote:(04-13-2012, 08:31 PM)HairOfTheDog Wrote: True, there were no eye witnesses. The full/ehnanced police video, Zimmerman's medical reports, and the autopsy report should tell some of the story. We haven't seen those yet. Good to see you backing off your definitive statement below and agreeing that no one is in a position to make such a statement at this point.
Quote:Cracker wrote: It will come out that Zimmerman was indeed attacked when he turned his back.
Snap!
Wut? Logic tells you Zimmerman tried to wrestle with the kid even though he had a gun? Smart one.
Why do you want it to be an unjustified murder so badly? I think y'all should have a "Hoodie Block Party" in your cul-de-sac and invite everybody from the projects downtown.
I don't want it to be anything, all-knowing one. I'm waiting to hear the evidence. There isn't a post by me on the subject indicating otherwise. I'm not even sure the crime itself had anything to do with race at this time. The aftermath is all about race, but I don't have enough facts at my disposal to label this a hate or race crime.
Your posts on the subject blame the victim for being dead and a some kind of thug, his parents' upbringing of him, the black community for pushing for a proper and thorough investigation, the media coverage, etc.... I think your perspective and ability to focus objectively is skewed, again, by your freely admitted predjudices. There is a reason the Chief and the original prosecuctor were removed from the case. That wouldn't normally happen, even with the media shitstorm, if the case had been handled appropriately in the first place and they could have "stood their ground" about it, imo.
I find your blaming of everyone but Zimmerman as ludicrous as I did your blaming of US society, the Afghanis, the Taliban, and US military regulations for one soldier slaughtering 16 civilians in the middle of the night. In that case as well, I want the truth to come out and proper action to be taken. One man's decisions and actions caused the death of 16 people (doesn't matter how many others die each day, the crime is about those particular 16), but if mitigating circumstances are proven and determine that he should be treated more lightly than other mass murderers, I can gladly accept that.
George Zimmerman shot an unnarmed 17 year old and killed him, after he pursued him against the advice of a 911 dispatcher. George Zimmerman is responsible for deciding to carry that gun and pursue that kid. Nobody else. What happened next, aside from the 17 year old ending up dead by Zimmerman's hand, we don't know. Not even you know, despite your definitive statements to the contrary. Travyon attacking Zimmerman from behind is not the only logical possibility. It's just your assumption, because you are trying so hard to make this a justified murder. Zimmerman's been charged with second degree murder by the investigators and prosecutor who have more facts than we. If somehow you're right and they're wrong and there's clear cut evidence that Zimmerman acted justifiably in self defense, I will be glad to see the truth come out in that direction. The truth is what I want. That's difficult for you to understand because of your prejudices, "it's in your nature to blame darkie".
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one at this point, but I read and consider all of your posts.
I went ahead and marked a few words that actually show that your mind is made up about what happened.
I hope you don't mind me doing that, but I had to, since I don't know if a crime has been commited and we don't know if Trayvon was a victim those words in your admonition to cracker are a slight bit conclusive.
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