07-14-2013, 05:19 PM
OK, I just went back to that conversation I was having and C&P'd his comment that explains the wine/grapejuice .
This is what he said ...
Wine, is not ‘wine’ like we think of it today. You say you have read the original languages, then read some secular works in the original where the same word is used in the Bible and you will see how it was used in those times. Again, our English translations must be through 1600 glasses, because definitions have changed since then. As I pointed out, the Greek word ‘oinos’ is generic as is the Hebrew word ‘yayyin.’ It can be either, unfermented or fermented. The context determines which it is. Nothing that God required all things to be holy when in His service, all liquids offered HAD to be unfermented. There is no doubt that Lot and Noah partook of the fermented type, context determines that, but that cannot be used to make the determination that it was allowed when offerings were made to God. His offerings had to be without blemish, pure – fermented grape juice is blemished, impure. Logic dictates that
This is what he said ...
Wine, is not ‘wine’ like we think of it today. You say you have read the original languages, then read some secular works in the original where the same word is used in the Bible and you will see how it was used in those times. Again, our English translations must be through 1600 glasses, because definitions have changed since then. As I pointed out, the Greek word ‘oinos’ is generic as is the Hebrew word ‘yayyin.’ It can be either, unfermented or fermented. The context determines which it is. Nothing that God required all things to be holy when in His service, all liquids offered HAD to be unfermented. There is no doubt that Lot and Noah partook of the fermented type, context determines that, but that cannot be used to make the determination that it was allowed when offerings were made to God. His offerings had to be without blemish, pure – fermented grape juice is blemished, impure. Logic dictates that