VIOLENCE VS SEX

[HairOfTheDog]

It's subjective; that was my point. Not everybody thinks and feels about it as you do (and I respect some of their thoughts/feeling about it too).

Right. I mean, if you wanna debate about atheists hating Christians for the hate they say Christians have... and how utterly hypocritical that is... we can argue all day. For people like MS getting uppity about saying not all 'godly' people are good people, tho, I feel like it's more a semantic argument than a theological one.

I totally get that if to you, Godly means people who want to out-believe other people, then they're not inherently good people. Then saying they are all good people is as much a blanket statement as saying they're all bad people. It's not really a subjective matter if your definition of Godly is 'like god.' Saying: Moral people are inherently moral. - is not a blanket statement.

I've never stated nor have I ever believed --and therefore would not be interested in debating -- that all Christians hate atheists or that all atheists hate Christians. If those are blanket statements and claims that you profess to be true, then sure, I'd argue against your contention. I myself am neither an atheist or a Christian, but there's plenty of evidence that contradicts those blanket statements.

I also never stated nor do I believe that "Godliness" means people who want to out-believe other people. That was something that you introduced into the discussion and frankly I don't know why, but it doesn't matter.

You are correct that I am not arguing theology. I also was not arguing semantics. I was pointing out a fact -- "Godly" is not defined consistently in religious documents nor in dictionaries nor in literature nor in people's personal perspectives. It does indeed vary and it is, in fact, subjective. I don't understand why you're arguing against that fact, but I'll try to be more clear.

Please check out the definitions of "pious" and "devout", which is how you defined a "godly person" upthread. You will see that those are adjectives that describe someones beliefs or devotions in relation to a particular religion or deism and the definitions include "God-fearing" in various sources. (I know for a fact that many Christians view God as an entity not to be feared -- that too varies and is subjective.)

"Devout" and "pious" are not universally defined as people who are God-like; that's your personal definition and that's fine. Of course, if you say that "godly people are godly people" that's true and that's equivalent to saying that "moral people are more people" (I took the liberty of removing "inherently" because not all people who are moral are inherently so). However, neither of those equivalent statements is comparable to saying that "godly people are inherently (or not inherently) good people" because "godly" does not mean "good" by definition.

I do respect that to you being a godly person equates to being god-like and therefore good. I wouldn't argue against your personal beliefs and understandings -- no matter where they originate. However, when you or any person claims that people who don't see, view or define the subjective the same way as you do are wrong by definition, I'm gonna disagree (unless the person is a dipshit and not worth the words or keystrokes).