DEFINE LIBERAL

[HairOfTheDog]

Mentally sound people who shouldn't have had easy access to guns use them to commit violent crimes every day.

Are we talking legal guns? Or illegal guns?

Both.

A domestic abuser, an armed robber, a plotting spouse, a white supremist...who has no diagnosed mental illness or charges pressed can get a gun by legal means and kill his her family or targets. They, along with those with mental illnesses and criminal records, can also find ways to get guns by illegal means. In either case, were they responsible owners who should have had guns? No.

You can't legislate the problem away, but you can work on improving the process/enforcement for existing common sense gun laws and implementing new deterrents to keep guns out of so many wrong hands (without banning guns or gun types altogether).

My point was that mental illness is not always a factor or sole factor when it comes to gun violence and deaths. Focusing only on mental health issues is not logical.

In the case of the SC church shooter, I think he was a hate-filled and evil person based on what he did and his explanation as to why. I don't know if his family has any part in instilling that in him or not. Is he mentally ill? I don't know yet. I don't believe that every murderous piece of shit is mentally ill. Some are hate-filled, some are greedy, some are jealous, some are mentally ill.

"Take the firearm out of the equation" doesn't make any more good sense to me than "the firearm is the only factor in the equation" when it comes to addressing gun violence.