TURMOIL IN THE UKRAINE / RUSSIA AGGRESSION

[rothschild]

Zelensky met with Trump. Would you like to talk about that? 

There. That's more like it. There's the curmudgeon I know and love.

I felt bad for Zelensky having to do that. I saw some pix and he looked hugely uncomfortable standing there while trump talked about his great relationship with Putin. Goddamn I want to nail that motherfucker with a brick. Mock is the only place left that I can say that and get away with it.

Ukraine lost Back in 2014 when the US and NATO set up shop and began militarizing for the ostensible purpose of "defending democracy". It's gone very, very badly for Ukraine, yet people like you still defend what the West has done. It's like you don't think the results matter, all that matters is "democracy" was defended. The nation has been devastated but goddamn it, democracy was defended! I know you hate Putin but making important decisions on the basis of emotion is ill-advised. Doesn't seem like you appreciate that.

So, do you still want more war, and if so, what do you think it will accomplish aside from more destruction and loss of life?

2014? U mean the U.S. and NATO did some small things after Russia stole Crimea? The nerve. 

Where’s your red line, RC? Should the U.S. abandon NATO? If not, we’re bound to defend Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, now Finland and more (lots of countries share borders with Russia). Ukraine isn’t a fucking toy. It’s a (as u pointed out) mineral rich democracy that borders Russia. If Russia is looking to protect itself (I call bullshit), why didn’t it invade Lithuania or some other region (already NATO members if it’s so worried about NATO on its borders). NATO is there already. I think Putin just wants to return to the glory of the USSR (as he’s said) and since we rolled over on Crimea, he probably expected a similar response. Which Trump might well give him.

My red line goes back to about 2004 when the US began pouring billions of dollars into Ukraine, setting the stage for the "color revolution" that occurred in 2014.

That should be the red line for anyone that values democracy.