VIOLENCE VS SEX

[Midwest Spy]

So how about religious fanatics? You know, chopping peoples heads off, etc, How do they rate?

But you can't admit that because you are arrogant enough to think God is blessing you as you sit in church staring at tits and ass.

^ this is why we go to the 7:30am service.

Full of senior citizens and zero temptations.

[HairOfTheDog]

Hey, HotD, you're pretty amusing at times (and pretty too, at times).

This is not about me AT ALL.

I think I've made my point, to which you can surely agree with or not.

And, Crash can take care of himself if you feel like you're White Knighting.

I've acknowledged there are plenty of phony Christians that unfortunately have garnered too much air time.

But the Christians who are dedicated to walking the walk are inherently good people, which is what this topic is about.

You're full of shit, MS.

I don't do white knighting and you know it. And, yeah, you personalized a general comment and made it a condemnation of all the "godly people", like you.

Crash can jump in and correct me if I misinterpreted his comment about blanket statements to be about, well, blanket statements. In which case, I'll acknowledge that I stand corrected.

"Walk the walk" -- what does that even mean to you?

And, in so far as feeling compelled to help others, that's nice if some Christians do so because that's what their religion has taught them.

It's also nice that some of us help people in need because it's just instinctive or environmental or it feels good or whatever; no religious affiliation required. I suspect that plenty of Christians who help others in need would do so even if they weren't Christians.

[sally]

Duchess: Godly Christians are not good people.

Six: horseshit, by nature they are good people.

Crash: horseshit, that's just as big a blanket statement.

A Christian, by definition, is someone who has committed their life to being Christlike.

Even if you're no fan of Christ, his life was dedicated to helping people and granting salvation.

So, by Crash essentially saying that Six' statement was just as wrong as Duchess', he, by the definition, is either incorrect or cynical, take your pick.

God almighty you are one dumb son of a bitch today.

[Duchess]

MS, you're one of those Christians I was referring to. You think your way is the only way, the only good Christian way because same sex couples deeply in love couldn't possibly have the same kind of life you do. You believe it's an abomination. My God sees you, who loves his wife and kids, in the same way he sees the gay guy love his partner and kids. He doesn't differentiate the way so many Christians do.

Do you intend to answer your kids questions regarding same sex partners in a fair and balanced way? Would you have been the parent who told the kids that a man was beating a woman rather than tell them the truth? Just curious. You're entitled to your opinion.

[cruehead]

might be better if yall kept your religious beliefs to yourselves

[HairOfTheDog]

[cruehead]

I thought this thread was about sex n violence...not some leap of faith discussions

[Duchess]

might be better if yall kept your religious beliefs to yourselves

*gasp* In Mock? No way! Where's the fun in that.

For example, I love that MS is a boob hound who lives in bliss in suburbia. He's a god fearing man who has such a love of hooters that he instigated texting with a female who only months before scared the crap out of him by being aggressive yet he wanted more so he texted her and she texted him back full body nudes. BOOM. Scared shitless again! God is watching you, MS.

[Midwest Spy]

^ no kidding!

In nearly half a century I've nary learned anything.

[HairOfTheDog]

I thought this thread was about sex n violence...not some leap of faith discussions

Violence, sex, religion all rolled up into one.

Kinda like a Holy War.

What could possibly go wrong?

[HairOfTheDog]

^ no kidding!

In nearly half a century I've nary learned anything.

So, "walking the walk" is what being a good moderate godly Christian is all about.

That's essentially what you posted upthread. Pretty effin' vague, MS.

Aside from helping others -- which decent people do irregardless of religion -- what exactly does "walk the walk" mean to you in that context (if you don't mind sharing -- I'm curious)?

[Cutz]

MS, you're one of those Christians I was referring to. You think your way is the only way, the only good Christian way because same sex couples deeply in love couldn't possibly have the same kind of life you do. You believe it's an abomination.

I believe MS only said that christians can have an opinion to not support same sex marriage. I didn't see his comments where same sex couples are an abomination. As marriage started as a religious practice, and should not be a legal status, he's correct that religion has the right to exclude people from their practice. It's like me starting a little league for 12 year olds and 20 year olds get mad that they can't play. That's Ageist! Well, yes, it is, but it's not stopping you from playing baseball, you just can't play in our league. Gay couples are entitled to every legal right that married couples have, but that's not dependent on religion defending their practice.

As far as godly people good or not, sure, anyone can be good or an asshole regardless of their religious belief. However, saying someone is godly is ambiguous. If they are truly like God... then they're compassionate and accepting and willing to forgive people's flaws as long as they are sorry for their sins. A Godly person is by definition a good person. Referring to assholes that proclaim to be God's chosen one and spout their derision of others as 'godly people' is like calling american terrorists the true patriots. Just because they claim to be fighting for freedom doesn't make their actions reflective of patriots. The word patriot already has a connotation, and using it to describe someone that isn't patriotic is offensive to those who are patriots. Offended people become defensive people.

[crash]

What are you getting your Jesus Will Return knickers in a twist about? He wasn't being cynical. He said that saying godly people are good by nature is just as much of a horseshit blanket statement as saying godly Christian's are not good people. That's it. He didn't say they were phonies or anything else against them. And I know Crash can speak for himself but maybe he doesn't want to meet them, I sure as hell don't. I have better things to do on Sundays than congregate with a bunch of sinners.

Religious moderates are some of the most arrogant fucked up people I've ever come across. That's not to say they're all bad people, but the act of having faith in God and going to church does not make someone inherently good anymore than the act of not believing makes someone inherently bad.

You make no sense to me, MS.

Godly Christians are not good people.
Godly people are by nature good people.

Crash is right -- that's a fact, not an opinion. Both of those are indeed blanket statements that could never be validated; they're opinions (based on religious affiliation, or limited personal experience, or any number of factors).

It would be the same as me saying "literal brunettes with big breasts are naturally kind-hearted", and you responding that "literal brunettes with big breasts are bitchy ball busters".

This.

Some of you Jesus freaks are a little over-defensive this time of the month...full moon or something?

[Cutz]

This.

Some of you Jesus freaks are a little over-defensive this time if the month...full moon or something?

It's just a Catch-22 crash. The only thing that would make a 'Godly' person an asshole is that which would make them un-Godly. Maybe we need a new word. Godious? Psuedopiousity?

[HairOfTheDog]

A godly person is by definition a good person to you, Cutz. It's subjective.

A godly person is not by definition a good person to everybody. "Godly" has varying definitions, many centered around a belief in God. People can believe in God and do very bad things. Happens every day. Are they Godly and therefore good anyway? Depends on who you ask.

About godliness in both respects (knowledge of God and holiness of life): "If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain" ( 1 Tim 6:3-5 ). Accordingly, "the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness" ( Rom 1:18 ).

So, ^ are all people who do not agree to the instruction of Jesus Christ wicked and deserving of the wrath of God? That, too, depends on who you ask. For a non-Christian, the answer is likely to be "hell no" or something to that effect. Among Christians, I'd expect differences of opinion and different answers.

[crash]

This.

Some of you Jesus freaks are a little over-defensive this time if the month...full moon or something?

It's just a Catch-22 crash. The only thing that would make a 'Godly' person an asshole is that which would make them un-Godly. Maybe we need a new word. Godious? Psuedopiousity?

Only in your view. A westboro baptist picketing Robin Williams funeral thinks it's making him more godly. He's a person of god. In his opinion at least. That's another thing about godly people; they love to be more godly than others.

You're not godding right!

[Cutz]

So, are all people who do not agree to the instruction of Jesus Christ wicked and deserving of the wrath of God?

For an actual godly person (pious, devout), the judgement does not fall to them but to God. Judge not lest ye be judged. Furthermore, whatsoever you do to the least you do unto me. No matter what you believe, I'll treat you the same way because you're still a child of God and deserving of my respect. All I'm trying to say is that the definition and connotation (at least from my perspective) of the word means a good person. I've never understood 'Godly' to mean 'Those who believe in God the most.' I've always considered it as 'Those who reflect God's principles the best.'

[Duchess]

I believe MS only said that christians can have an opinion to not support same sex marriage. I didn't see his comments where same sex couples are an abomination.

MS and I have been going 'round & 'round about this for years. My comment wasn't exactly on topic with this thread, I was referring to things he's said in the past.

[HairOfTheDog]

So, are all people who do not agree to the instruction of Jesus Christ wicked and deserving of the wrath of God?

All I'm trying to say is that the definition and connotation (at least from my perspective) of the word means a good person. I've never understood 'Godly' to mean 'Those who believe in God the most.' I've always considered it as 'Those who reflect God's principles the best.'

I understand that it's your perspective and your understanding of "Godly" and I respect your personal thoughts/feelings about it, Cutz.

It's subjective; that was my point. Not everybody thinks and feels about it as you do (and I respect some of their thoughts/feeling about it too).

[Cutz]

It's subjective; that was my point. Not everybody thinks and feels about it as you do (and I respect some of their thoughts/feeling about it too).

Right. I mean, if you wanna debate about atheists hating Christians for the hate they say Christians have... and how utterly hypocritical that is... we can argue all day. For people like MS getting uppity about saying not all 'godly' people are good people, tho, I feel like it's more a semantic argument than a theological one.

I totally get that if to you, Godly means people who want to out-believe other people, then they're not inherently good people. Then saying they are all good people is as much a blanket statement as saying they're all bad people. It's not really a subjective matter if your definition of Godly is 'like god.' Saying: Moral people are inherently moral. - is not a blanket statement.