AGE REQUIREMENTS

[crash]

I was born and raised on 5000 acres. My old man had firearms wen I was a kid. Would he let me touch them when I was six? No fucking way; he'd beat my ass blue if he even found out I'd touched any of them. Mostly they were locked away in any case. Did he let me see him shooting anything until I was at least 12 or thirteen? Nope, which is kinda ironic, but that's a whole other story.

I cant see your picture, but my answer would be that the first thing I see wrong with it is a child that has access to a firearm when there is no need for him to have it. Even if the justification is recreational, the risk far outweighs the return.

Now my question... Have you ever disciplined your grandson for something you explicitly told him not to do?

[F.U.]

Glad to know you at least knew they were around as a child. Sorry to hear you were not taught about them, or let enjoy them. If you had Ben your attitude about them may be quite different.
Answering your question. No, I don't believe I had to correct my grandson for that. He knows what papa says is law. If he goes against me all the quads, motorcycles, bows, guns, games, etc will stop. Plus he hates it when he disappoints me.
Now, has my daughter had different experiences with him? I would bet on it.

This may be a stupid question but, I have never asked you or paid enough attention to your posts to know where you live. So where do you hang your hat?

We are heading out now, I willcatch up with you when I return.

[ramseycat]

FU, your grandson is adorable! He has the cutest smile.

[SIXFOOTERsez]

FU your grand boy has some skills, I assume thats thanks to you, well done.
I was raised the same way with guns, didn't get my own until much later but that was a matter of finance, not access or attitude.
My dad taught me from a very early age how to handle, load, clean and all that. I taught the same skills to my son and my daughter, both are doing very well as are the 3 grandkids my daughter has blessed me with. My daughter and Son in law are teaching their kids gun and weapon safety, I am going to the oldest birthday party next month where she will receive her first blade, it will be quite the ceremony and she is ready, parents and I all agree. The middle grand boy isn't ready yet, a little to immature as yet, he is coming up on 9, the youngest is 5. I expect all 3 in time will receive their blades and eventually guns, not as young as yours, but thats mostly because I don't live close enough to keep an eye on things as much as I would like.

As you can tell I have no problem with teaching kids gun safety at a very early age, the younger the better as long as it is with adult (responsible adult) supervision until all doubt as to skills and mindset have been removed. This little girl that is in this thing did not receive that supervision or training or this would not have happened. You can easily tell in her body language and stance, she had no idea what she was about. This is ALL on her parents for being stupid and the now deceased instructor for not knowing exactly what would happen when the Uzi was opened up and taking NO precautions. Everyone that has ever fired an automatic weapon knows they climb and you have to be ready for that. She was not.
Its an outrage yes, in that the guy is dead and this poor little girl has to live with this thing now. I don't think its an indictment about kids and guns in general, I think it is an indictment against irresponsible stupid parents.

[Midwest Spy]

Sounds more like the instructor was a moron to me.

The parents?

They simply brought their daughter to whom they, I assume, thought was a professional, and now he's dead.

[crash]

Yep. And I bet he told a lot of people about how many kids he'd instructed to be safe with guns.

So , MS, you have a couple of youngish kids...

Say, even if you knew FU or Six pretty well, and you trusted their firearm ability, would you be interested in trusting your 9 year old with them to learn the 'joys' of shooting guns?

[Midwest Spy]

No.

My dad hunted with me too when I was a little guy. But, I personally never had any interest in it.

I've shot clay pigeons with my step dad. He had a gun cabinet stuffed with fire-arms, but again, I wasn't interested.

So, no, I'd never consider taking my young children to a gun range to shoot anything, let alone an Uzi.

[sally]

I think 16 should be the age requirement. I don't see any reason why children should handle fire arms, it's nothing more than an accident waiting to happen. It's not even surprising the guy got his head blown off, a place called Bullets and Burgers where children can shoot Uzi's is so ridiculous it's almost comical.

[crash]

a place called Bullets and Burgers where children can shoot Uzi's is so ridiculous it's almost comical.

And the rest of the world says "Only in Murica"

[Duchess]

We are frequently the laughing stock of the world. Everything from our tight assed ways to our Presidents. Other countries aren't horrified by bare breasts over graphic violence. It's a goddamn joke that there is a restaurant called Burgers & Bullets where a little kid can fire a fuckin' Uzi. I still cannot get over that. Guns being manufactured to fit in a small child's hands. That's some kind of shit. I could go on a full fledged rant about that.

[crash]

Well you're not strapping explosives to kids or teaching them to cut peoples heads off yet so there's that..

[username]

I was reading The Economist recently and I'm not sure why they bothered comparing cop's killing suspects using a gun in the United States as opposed to other countries. In the UK, the number was like 1 or 0. Then they went on to comment on the number of gun wielding thugs in the U.S. and did the British equivalent of a "well, duh...".

[Duchess]

I'm thinking about the little American girls proudly posing with their guns & the little ISIS boy proudly posing with his knife and a beheaded doll.

[crash]

Glad to know you at least knew they were around as a child. Sorry to hear you were not taught about them, or let enjoy them. If you had Ben your attitude about them may be quite different.
Answering your question. No, I don't believe I had to correct my grandson for that. He knows what papa says is law. If he goes against me all the quads, motorcycles, bows, guns, games, etc will stop. Plus he hates it when he disappoints me.
Now, has my daughter had different experiences with him? I would bet on it.

This may be a stupid question but, I have never asked you or paid enough attention to your posts to know where you live. So where do you hang your hat?

We are heading out now, I willcatch up with you when I return.

What makes you think I wasn't taught about them?

I was. It was just a very different lesson to the one that you teach. I was taught that they are an instrument that is made for the primary purpose of killing things. I was taught they are extremely dangerous; in the right and wrong hands. I was taught that they should only be used for necessities i.e. Slaughtering a beast, putting down a sick animal, controlling vermin. I was taught that there was no room for complacency.

In my later life I had a lot to do with guns. I held a licence and was a allocated a quota to shoot kangaroos (that should give you a big enough hint as to where I'm from) for pet food, and later on, human consumption. I still don't eat kangaroo today because of it. Makes my stomach turn. I still have that rifle. Twenty years ago, on a still day, I could of put a hole in a 4" circle at a thousand yards. Probably take me twenty shots to hit garbage can at that range nowadays. That rifle has been wrapped in oilcloth and locked in a gun safe for I don't know how long. Why? I don't have any vermin on my couple of acres. I don't slaughter my own meat. I don't have any livestock that I may need to put down and I don't live where there's a fucking ridiculous gun culture, where people think because other people gave a weapon, if I get one I'll be safe. If teach my six year old all about guns, he'll be safe too.

[crash]

Hell, I should sell the fucking rifle. The only reason I didn't years ago was that I paid a fucking fortune for the custom barrel and I'd never get a return on it.

[Maggot]

I've always wanted to taste Kangaroo meat. If those critters were hopping around my backyard I would treat them like chipmunks but in a cartoonish way. Yeah......them bitches would be on the barbie and their cousins "the rabbit" would be an appetizer. Did I spell Barbie right? WTF?

[HairOfTheDog]

I was taught that they should only be used for necessities i.e. Slaughtering a beast, putting down a sick animal, controlling vermin. I was taught that there was no room for complacency.

So, I take it you missed out on the childhood joy of Pistols and Pickles? And, dad never prepared you for male adulthood at Uzis and Floozies when you were 11 or 12?

I too think Bullets and Burgers, especially for kids, is idiocy. But, the sheriff's office is viewing the killing of the instructor an "industrial accident", so let the good times roll. For now.

Arizona Division of Occupational Safety and Healths are conducting their own investigation into the shooting, but details cannot be released due to state law.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/no-charges-i...-year-old/

[Cheyne]

FU, your grandson is adorable. I have to agree with everything you've posted about gun safety and teaching children how to handle and use guns appropriately.

The media in the US only covers the sensational stories about shootings/deaths due to firearms. Many responsible gun owners take to the woods, prairies and mountains to hunt each year. In Wisconsin in 2010 there were 602,791 hunting licenses sold to resident and non-resident hunters. There were 32 incidents with one fatality that year.
The odds of being involved in an incident/death while hunting with firearms in Wisconsin are 1:18837.

According to NOAA, the odds of being struck by lightning in your lifetime are 1:12,000.

There is a follow-up to the OP here

[blueberryhill]

Age requirements, gun safety, teaching gun responsibility is not even the point here....Why do we permit assault rifles in the U.S? No one should have access to them, let alone a child....I can remember at about age 12 when I belonged to the Girl Scouts, we earned a Badge by going to gun safety classes and shooting a gun. Can't remember what kind of gun it was, but no one gave it a second thought, but it wasn't an assault rifle, either, of that I am positive.

[crash]

Why do we permit assault rifles in the U.S?

Because 'Murica, FUCK YEAH!